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I remember a quote by Johnny Cash -
"The hardest thing for me in Vietnam wasn't seeing the wounded and dead. It was watching the big transport jets come in, bringing loads of fresh new boys for the war." – Johnny Cash.

Johnny Cash- What is Truth

backups, in case that youtube is wiped :-
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...&search_type=&aq=0&oq=johnny+cash+what+is+tru

A little boy of three sittin' on the floor
Looks up and says, "Daddy, what is war?"
"son, that's when people fight and die"
The little boy of three says "Daddy, why?"
A young man of seventeen in Sunday school
Being taught the golden rule
And by the time another year has gone around
It may be his turn to lay his life down
Can you blame the voice of youth for asking
"What is truth?"
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2020hindsight said:
I remember a quote by Johnny Cash -
"The hardest thing for me in Vietnam wasn't seeing the wounded and dead. It was watching the big transport jets come in, bringing loads of fresh new boys for the war." – Johnny Cash.

Johnny Cash- What is Truth

backups, in case that youtube is wiped :-
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...&search_type=&aq=0&oq=johnny+cash+what+is+tru
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Does Bush bother about such statements? Given a chance to get involved in another war and oil fields as prizes, he will have no qualms sending truckloads of fresh new boys to the front line.
 
Timmy said:
If terrorism is the result of us (Australia and the USA etc.) invading another country then why are there no Vietnamese terrorists?
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Err they won mate. Remember they demoralised the French and the Yanks until they withdrew.

'Terrorism' is a geopolitical tool. Bin Laden wanted to draw the US into attacking the Islamic heartlands, thereby making it so much easier to sprout that the US were embarking on a new Christian crusade hand-in-hand with their great ally Israel. Off course the Yanks would react like they always have reacted in the past. There were a few (albeit it well organised and financed). Now there are many.

This 'for us or against us' Dubya bullsh*t will tear the world apart. Palin talking about invading Georgia send a chill through my body. Remember 'duck and cover'? And all the time Bin Laden is sitting in his cave, smilling a little smile because the good old boys have done his job for him.

PS: I detest warfare, not Americans. There have been very many great Americans that I admire.
 
Bushman said:
Bin Laden wanted to draw the US into attacking ..... There were a few .... Now there are many.

This 'for us or against us' Dubya bullsh*t will tear the world apart. Palin talking about invading Georgia send a chill through my body...
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agree 110% bushman - well said.

I even agree with the CIA on this occasion :eek:

In October 2002, well before the invasion of Iraq, the Central Intelligence Agency warned that military action in the Middle East would foment serious resistance and actually recruit more terrorists
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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=219498&highlight=manchurian#post219498

http://hnn.us/articles/32618.html by Mr. Buzzanco, Professor of History,
University of Houston, is the author of several books and articles on Vietnam War

If enemies of the United States had gotten together a few years ago to devise a plan to damage America and undermine its global position–diminish its power and credibility, drag it into a stubborn war, harm its relations with allies, create international financial disarray, run up huge deficits, create political openings for the Europeans and China to exploit and become equals in global economic matters, motivate terrorists, bring the U.S. image in the Middle East to its nadir, restrict civil liberties at home, and so forth–they would have been hard-pressed to create a program that would be more effective than the Bush administration’s policies on these issues of war, terrorism, and global economics have.

Indeed, if one is an “enemy” of the U.S., then he/she would have to be heartened that Bush has pursued this agenda and would have to be elated that the war in Iraq continues today. Given enough rope, Bush may hang not only himself, but American influence and credibility, and the global economy. Like a “sleeper” agent, or Laurence Harvey’s famed character, Sgt. Raymond Shaw, in The Manchurian Candidate, George W. Bush, the ultimate insider, is doing more to damage America than Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Hassan Nasrallah, the Syrians, the Iranians, or any other enemy du jour, ever could.
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Even more frightening, Bush has actually increased the global threat of terrorism. In October 2002, well before the invasion of Iraq, the Central Intelligence Agency warned that military action in the Middle East would foment serious resistance and actually recruit more terrorists. By going after Iraq, the Agency warned, the U.S. would be ignoring the “root causes” of terror–such as continued crisis in Afghanistan, the Israeli-Palestine conflict, and internal dissent in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries–while getting tied down in a peripheral area.

By 2004, that prediction had come true, with even the CIA Director Porter Goss admitting that Iraq had become a “cause for extremists” as daily attacks in Iraq had already more than doubled over the previous year. Just this past Spring, the State Department was more bleak, identifying over 11,000 terrorist incidents in 2005 which killed almost 15,000 people, a four-fold rise over 2004 and were mostly the work not of al-Qaeda but new, smaller and “difficult to detect” groups, which were able to exploit the war to entice new members.
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Given these conditions, there is now great reason for all Americans, including, if not especially, Republicans and conservatives, to demand an end to these policies in Iraq and at home that are making life more dangerous and costly. Some years ago, during the Vietnam War, Richard Nixon said that “Vietnam cannot defeat or humiliate the United States. Only Americans can do that.” It seems like George Bush has accomplished precisely that all these years later.
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http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/10/manchurian_cand.html
the longer President Bush occupies the White House the more it becomes clear that his big-government domestic policies, his preference for Republican and business cronies over talented administrators, his lack of a clear intellectual compass and his superficial and often wrong-headed grasp of international affairs – all have done more to destroy the legacy of Ronald Reagan, a President who halted then reversed America’s post-Vietnam decline, than any left-liberal Democrat or European America-hater could ever have dreamed of. As one astute American conservative commentator has already observed, President Bush has morphed into the Manchurian Candidate, behaving as if placed among Americans by their enemies to do them damage.
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Mr. Buzzanco, Professor of History, University of Houston :-
Like a “sleeper” agent, or Laurence Harvey’s famed character, Sgt. Raymond Shaw, in The Manchurian Candidate, George W. Bush, the ultimate insider, is doing more to damage America than Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Hassan Nasrallah, the Syrians, the Iranians, or any other enemy du jour, ever could.
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Listening to this bloke last night (suspect he leans left btw) ..
"Sarah Palin probably thinks Lehman Bros are those two fellas she met touring Alaska the other day " ;)

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2365255.htm

Ambassador Derek Shearer, who is a professor at Occidental University in Los Angeles and Fairfax columnist Michael West join Tony Jones to discuss the implications of Lehman Brothers declaring bankruptcy
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Doris said:
First part of Palin ABC interview:


I sympathize with Charlie... so patient and tolerant but frustrated!

She sounds like a politician... has her rote answer ready regardless of the question... pretending to be wise.

She tries hard but is such a try-hard! Only in Hollywood! .... ooops... I mean... America!


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Folks,

I'm definitely not a Palin fan, but I like truth. The above interview was disingenuously edited to cast a different light on the woman.

Some of the unedited transcript here (with further links to the full transcript):

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gl...ws-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview
 
2020hindsight said:
Listening to this bloke last night (suspect he leans left btw) ..
"Sarah Palin probably thinks Lehman Bros are those two fellas she met touring Alaska the other day " ;)

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2365255.htm
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TONY JONES: Well indeed, and no one can believe it seems that Lehman Brothers is gone, effectively gone. Merrill Lynch is being sold out at bargain basement prices but there's more to come.

I mean one of the biggest insurance groups in America, AIG, also looks like it's teetering on the brink. How much worse could it get?

DEREK SHEARER: It could get much worse, I mean no one knows. I think as we've said, we'll see in the next couple of days.

As I say, though, I think we've learned from the past. Paulson is not sitting back, he was working all weekend. He's been working all weekend with other bankers, doing everything he can within human possibility.

So I think that the longer question is, if it continues does it become the issue in the campaign? Because the necessary reforms are not going to be taken by the current lame duck government, but it'll be taken by the next president, whether it's Obama or McCain.

Will this now be the deciding factor, how these men respond? Two or three days ago, you wouldn't have said that. It would have been what do we think of governor Palin of Alaska?

Now suddenly, she's going to disappear. I think she thinks Lehman Brothers are two guys that might have visited Alaska. But, you know, now it's going to have to come down to the two candidates who have to respond, and they've made statements already.
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DEREK SHEARER: ..we know Senator McCain has supported President Bush 90 per cent of the time. We know his economics; at least as he stated them are the same as Bush.

On the other hand, he is now marketing himself as a maverick, a reformer who's sort of above party. So he's going to have to prove that and he doesn't really like economics, it doesn't interest him, he gets confused when he talks about it.

He's going to have to be much clearer about what he would do.
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Obama by comparison ...

And I think you'll have to expect Obama to be much clearer. He's going to have to say what does he mean by these statements, what kind of reforms would he take?

TONY JONES: He's very good at the populist rhetoric, but how good is he going to be when it comes to the nitty gritty of describing in detail how to solve this shocking financial crisis?

DEREK SHEARER: Well he has a lot of smart people supporting him. George Soros, who I gather is going to be on your show in the next few days, in his most recent book lays out a series of reforms.

There are a number of experts who have very specific proposals that they're putting forward. Now how do you explain some of these that are rather complicated in the middle of a presidential campaign?

And do you do it in a way that it sounds credible to people on main street, to regular voters, and do they understand what's at stake here?

And we don't know the answer to that.

That's why it's going to be incredibly interesting to see how this plays out in the course of this election.
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wayneL said:
Folks,

I'm definitely not a Palin fan, but I like truth. The above interview was disingenuously edited to cast a different light on the woman.

Some of the unedited transcript here (with further links to the full transcript):

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gl...ws-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview
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Thanks for that wayneL.

Truth will always suffer in any political campaign.

I'm sure there are similar misinterpretations of Obama, the one I disliked most that some media ran with was his gaffe over saying he was a Muslim when he meant to say Christian.

The upshot is that ordinary folk mistrust the liberal/left media. They are shunning it in droves. Look at Fairfax, falling readership at SMH and the Age.

In the USA the votes which will decide this are held in the hands of people who do not read the NY Times or other left media, feel disenfranchised by "their betters", and seek validation for their own folksy lives in politicians like Palin and McCain.

gg
 
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I once spoke to a senior editor of the Courier Mail. He said once they discarded the broadsheet format, a couple of years ago, their readership went up massively (no surprise to me really, Courier Mail has the same quality journalism seen in the Daily Telegraph imo). He predicted (and in my mind it would be a very sad day) that the other broadsheets would have to follow on sheer economic sense.

I don't really understand your logic either GG. We just voted in a leftist government but because two quality newspapers are APPARENTLY (gee whiz that raving lunatic Miranda Devine is considered a top opinion writer for the SMH....) leftist they are leaving it in droves????

Argument doesn't make sense to me.
 
Nashezz said:
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...(gee whiz that raving lunatic Miranda Devine is considered a top opinion writer for the SMH....)
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pfffft ......, (sprays a mouthful of the last of my wine collection - next week it will be metho ...)

nash,
Think I've read her column about 3 times - that was enough for me ;)
 
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