Being in the car driven by most women
No, really, most women are good... when they're not driving. Or yelling. Or talking... lol
... now I know I'm going to hell!
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What is hell?
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Hello,
Hell is being a Saints follower, ironic reall
Regards
Hell is being a Saints follower, ironic reall
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Hell is a place where there are no mangoes. I had my first mango for the season today, so I will be in heaven for the next five months at least.
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That's very kind of you, Greg. Thank you. I'd like to know the real meaning of hell. Don't know if I count, though, as I'm not a guy?
You're near enough...just kidding.
Ahem...here goes.
Based on what I know at this point in time.
The traditional view of hell that the unreligious (and a lot of religious) hold is the flaming cave in the center of the planet where demons carry pitchforks and all the bad people get punished forever, and ever, and ever... your skin burns off causing you excrutiating pain, only to regenerate so it can get burnt off again, over and over forever and ever. You get the picture.
However, this is of non-bible origin, in fact it is from the Egyptian view of eternity, with their "gods" Isis and Osiris etc. (gods that don't actually exist).
The ancient Israelites never had this view of the afterlife in their teachings.
I'm a bit rusty on this, so don't quote me.
If you pick up a bible today, what you are holding is an interpretation, or translation, of the original text which was written in Hebrew (old testament) or Greek (new testament). As such, there are some differences in sentence structure between English and Greek, so the translators sometimes used "filler" words to make it read normally for us. In the King James translation, words not found in the original text are italicized.
Anyway, around the time the bible was translated (1611 by commission of King James of England), there was a word in use in common language in that part of the world (England). That word was "hell".
This word meant "the unseen" or "covered" or something similar. Remember that this was a word used in the tranlator's language, not Jesus or anyone else back then.
Bible translations are known for their variance from the original text. You've got the King James, the New King James, the NIV, and many more. Each reads differently and cater to different people.
The thing is, they are all derived from the original Greek and Hebrew texts, so you've basically got a whole bunch of "interpretations" of the bible.
Where the translators use the word "hell", the original text refers either to the grave (where dead bodies go, in the ground or a cave with a stone rolled across it etc.), or the valley of Hinmon just outside Jerusalem.
If you've ever read the new testament, you've probably encountered scriptures that say "death and hell", these two words occurring together. It's referring to death and the grave. The translators, for some unknown reason, have substituted the word "hell" for grave.
As for the valley of Hinmon, it was the city garbage dump. In this valley, they would throw dead bodies, rubbish and whatever else, then set it all on fire to destroy it all, probably for sanitary purposes and to prevent disease.
This is why there are scriptures where Jesus says stuff like, "where the worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched...". He often spoke in parables and metaphors to make people think and sometimes so they wouldn't understand things until later. This is one of those occasions.
When they set the place on fire, obviously you had decaying bodies with worms etc., and the fire was never quenched because it was allowed to burn itself out, until it ran out of fuel. Misinterpretation is that Jesus is talking about a flaming place of eternal torture. He was actually talking about a place that existed right then and there.
At the end of the bible, in the book of Revelation, John was given a series of visions and told to record them. This was Jesus communicating with John from heaven, as it was 50+ years after the ascension.
The visions included a "lake of fire burning with brimstone". It is a glimpse into the future, of the last day of humanity on this planet. Symbolically, it shows what happens to everyone. The part that is relative to this "hell" thread is the order in which the various entities are "thrown" into the lake of fire.
First, the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire, then the devil, then "death and hell", then those not found in the lamb's book of life.
So, if "hell" is this place of eternal torture, how is it that it too is thrown into the lake of fire? Not one person goes into hell, because it's in the lake of fire before them. Obviously, this is because it is talking about the grave.
According to the bible, there will be no more death, which is why we see "death and hell" (i.e. death and the grave) being done away with in the lake of fire, whatever that may be (some believe it to symbolize God himself, as he is often referred to as a "consuming fire" throughout the bible).
In any case, the only "hell" you, I or anyone else will ever go to is the one your body lies in when you die, your physical resting place until the last day, you are in the state of death when you are in the grave.
(The condition of death is like sleep, you don't really know you're experiencing it, a timeless state. No-one will ever experience death itself, only dying and resurrection.). It does not matter if you are Christian, Buddhist, Satanist, whatever, hell is simply the place your body is in when you die, the grave.
If you like reading, go to http://bible-truths.com and scroll down to the "Lake of Fire" series, where all is explained in detail. In very, very, deep detail.
Ahem...here goes.
Based on what I know at this point in time.
The traditional view of hell that the unreligious (and a lot of religious) hold is the flaming cave in the center of the planet where demons carry pitchforks and all the bad people get punished forever, and ever, and ever... your skin burns off causing you excrutiating pain, only to regenerate so it can get burnt off again, over and over forever and ever. You get the picture.
However, this is of non-bible origin, in fact it is from the Egyptian view of eternity, with their "gods" Isis and Osiris etc. (gods that don't actually exist).
The ancient Israelites never had this view of the afterlife in their teachings.
I'm a bit rusty on this, so don't quote me.
If you pick up a bible today, what you are holding is an interpretation, or translation, of the original text which was written in Hebrew (old testament) or Greek (new testament). As such, there are some differences in sentence structure between English and Greek, so the translators sometimes used "filler" words to make it read normally for us. In the King James translation, words not found in the original text are italicized.
Anyway, around the time the bible was translated (1611 by commission of King James of England), there was a word in use in common language in that part of the world (England). That word was "hell".
This word meant "the unseen" or "covered" or something similar. Remember that this was a word used in the tranlator's language, not Jesus or anyone else back then.
Bible translations are known for their variance from the original text. You've got the King James, the New King James, the NIV, and many more. Each reads differently and cater to different people.
The thing is, they are all derived from the original Greek and Hebrew texts, so you've basically got a whole bunch of "interpretations" of the bible.
Where the translators use the word "hell", the original text refers either to the grave (where dead bodies go, in the ground or a cave with a stone rolled across it etc.), or the valley of Hinmon just outside Jerusalem.
If you've ever read the new testament, you've probably encountered scriptures that say "death and hell", these two words occurring together. It's referring to death and the grave. The translators, for some unknown reason, have substituted the word "hell" for grave.
As for the valley of Hinmon, it was the city garbage dump. In this valley, they would throw dead bodies, rubbish and whatever else, then set it all on fire to destroy it all, probably for sanitary purposes and to prevent disease.
This is why there are scriptures where Jesus says stuff like, "where the worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched...". He often spoke in parables and metaphors to make people think and sometimes so they wouldn't understand things until later. This is one of those occasions.
When they set the place on fire, obviously you had decaying bodies with worms etc., and the fire was never quenched because it was allowed to burn itself out, until it ran out of fuel. Misinterpretation is that Jesus is talking about a flaming place of eternal torture. He was actually talking about a place that existed right then and there.
At the end of the bible, in the book of Revelation, John was given a series of visions and told to record them. This was Jesus communicating with John from heaven, as it was 50+ years after the ascension.
The visions included a "lake of fire burning with brimstone". It is a glimpse into the future, of the last day of humanity on this planet. Symbolically, it shows what happens to everyone. The part that is relative to this "hell" thread is the order in which the various entities are "thrown" into the lake of fire.
First, the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire, then the devil, then "death and hell", then those not found in the lamb's book of life.
So, if "hell" is this place of eternal torture, how is it that it too is thrown into the lake of fire? Not one person goes into hell, because it's in the lake of fire before them. Obviously, this is because it is talking about the grave.
According to the bible, there will be no more death, which is why we see "death and hell" (i.e. death and the grave) being done away with in the lake of fire, whatever that may be (some believe it to symbolize God himself, as he is often referred to as a "consuming fire" throughout the bible).
In any case, the only "hell" you, I or anyone else will ever go to is the one your body lies in when you die, your physical resting place until the last day, you are in the state of death when you are in the grave.
(The condition of death is like sleep, you don't really know you're experiencing it, a timeless state. No-one will ever experience death itself, only dying and resurrection.). It does not matter if you are Christian, Buddhist, Satanist, whatever, hell is simply the place your body is in when you die, the grave.
If you like reading, go to http://bible-truths.com and scroll down to the "Lake of Fire" series, where all is explained in detail. In very, very, deep detail.
Greg
That's pretty fascinating stuff about hell......thanks for taking the trouble to share it with us. In-depth religious reading usually bores the - er - hell out of me, but I found your account of hell fascinating.
It confirms my belief that hell is nothing more than a product of someone's very fertile imagination, or perhaps the imagination of many people.
I hope holy David from the bible verse of the day thread takes the time to read your post.
If you want some comical but nevertheless fascinating reading that's a wonderful demonstration of the power of human imagination, get yourself a copy of the Buddhist book on hell, or more specifically, the nine hells (or is it ten?) that the Buddhists believe in. Each hell has a different type of punishment in store for sinners, depending on the nature of their sin. And each and every one of the Buddhist hells is so horrific that, by comparison, the Christian version of hell sounds like a picnic in the park.
You should be able to get a copy of the Buddhist hell booklet from a Buddhist centre if there's one near you. My sister in law, a former apprentice Catholic nun who spent years in training in a convent and got within one year of becoming a nun before she gave it away in disgust, is still interested in religion and likes to check out all the various religions to see what each one offers and believes. She picked up a copy of the Buddhist book and gave it to me, told me to keep it if I wanted to.
After reading it and having a bit of a chuckle I confined it to the flames of hell (the incinerator in my back yard).
That's pretty fascinating stuff about hell......thanks for taking the trouble to share it with us. In-depth religious reading usually bores the - er - hell out of me, but I found your account of hell fascinating.
It confirms my belief that hell is nothing more than a product of someone's very fertile imagination, or perhaps the imagination of many people.
I hope holy David from the bible verse of the day thread takes the time to read your post.
If you want some comical but nevertheless fascinating reading that's a wonderful demonstration of the power of human imagination, get yourself a copy of the Buddhist book on hell, or more specifically, the nine hells (or is it ten?) that the Buddhists believe in. Each hell has a different type of punishment in store for sinners, depending on the nature of their sin. And each and every one of the Buddhist hells is so horrific that, by comparison, the Christian version of hell sounds like a picnic in the park.
You should be able to get a copy of the Buddhist hell booklet from a Buddhist centre if there's one near you. My sister in law, a former apprentice Catholic nun who spent years in training in a convent and got within one year of becoming a nun before she gave it away in disgust, is still interested in religion and likes to check out all the various religions to see what each one offers and believes. She picked up a copy of the Buddhist book and gave it to me, told me to keep it if I wanted to.
After reading it and having a bit of a chuckle I confined it to the flames of hell (the incinerator in my back yard).
You're welcome.
I had a hell of a time typing it.
I went to the site and found the page with the hell explaination. It's where I learnt the truth about it myself. Allow about an hour to read it, it's worth it.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D1.htm
I had a hell of a time typing it.
I went to the site and found the page with the hell explaination. It's where I learnt the truth about it myself. Allow about an hour to read it, it's worth it.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D1.htm
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Amen to that! Hell is seeing Raph and Xavier Clarke not getting traded at the end of the year!
lol, so this is where all the saints fans have gone after Sunday.
They won't be traded, nobody else will want them.
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Hell is a small town near the Trondheim airport in Norway.
Spending a week there would confirm that it was indeed Hell!
Spending a week there would confirm that it was indeed Hell!
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Just had a bit of a read about Hell on wikipeida. Apparently the temperature can get down to -20 deg Celcius in winter - so cold days in hell are actually quite common.
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losing your keys
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I was just thinking about the 72 virgins (as I often do ), what is heaven for a Muslim man must be hell for a Muslim woman.
), what is heaven for a Muslim man must be hell for a Muslim woman.
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Yep, hell is being a St.Kilda supporter!!
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Greg,
Very interesting thoughts however I have looked at just two verses from the New Testament that make it clear to me that Hell is more than just death.
Matthew ch25 vs46
"And they will go away into eternal punishment but the righteous will go into eternal life." These are Christ's words.
Luke 16 vs 22 -24
"Finally the beggar died and was carried by the Angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried and his soul went to the place of the dead. There in torment, he saw Lazarus in the far distance with Abraham. The rich man shouted, 'Father Abraham have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in these flames." Theses are also Christ's words.
If you accept Christ word and the bible as the truth then you can only conclude that hell is real.
It is not a state of death but a state of eternal separation from God and the torment is something you will experience for eternity.
Very interesting thoughts however I have looked at just two verses from the New Testament that make it clear to me that Hell is more than just death.
Matthew ch25 vs46
"And they will go away into eternal punishment but the righteous will go into eternal life." These are Christ's words.
Luke 16 vs 22 -24
"Finally the beggar died and was carried by the Angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried and his soul went to the place of the dead. There in torment, he saw Lazarus in the far distance with Abraham. The rich man shouted, 'Father Abraham have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in these flames." Theses are also Christ's words.
If you accept Christ word and the bible as the truth then you can only conclude that hell is real.
It is not a state of death but a state of eternal separation from God and the torment is something you will experience for eternity.
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probably worse now with climate change
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Its an eternal cold darkness. An empty void of loneliness where love does not exist...