Women turning into Men?

[wayneL]

Something I've noticed... our ladies are all becoming butch... pretty, but butch.

In fact I think many ladies these days act more like men than men.

Thoughts?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...eting-men-left-women-touch-feminine-side.html

 

[Julia]

Oh dear. So do we need to get back into the kitchen, put on our aprons, and lovingly await the return of the lord and master?

 

[subaru69]

Oh dear. So do we need to get back into the kitchen, put on our aprons, and lovingly await the return of the lord and master?

Not at all.

I simply refer to the quote below, I am in full support of women pursuing careers and earning more than me.

"If you haven't gotten a blow job from a superior officer, well, you're just letting the best in life pass you by."(Jack Nicholson, A Few Good Men (1992)

 

[wayneL]

Oh dear. So do we need to get back into the kitchen, put on our aprons, and lovingly await the return of the lord and master?

LOL

No, men are better cooks anyway.

But, femininity is a fabulous attribute in a woman. It's a shame to see it disappearing. Femininity doesn't mean the traditional 1950s role in by book, it's just about being more yin than yang, rather than more yang than yin.

 

[nioka]

Oh dear. So do we need to get back into the kitchen, put on our aprons, and lovingly await the return of the lord and master?

Interesting subject. To get out of the kitchen did women have to try to out swear and out drink the men, get road rage in traffic in trying to out do the female driver slur etc. That is the way a percentage appear to act to me. I was brought up to respect a lady. It is hard to respect a lot of female behaviour these days. I don't respect a lot of male behaviour either but why do women have to go to that extreme to prove a point.

 

[milothedog]

Julia,

Really, TIFI. if you are not sure what that means. come into chat during the day...usually there, will be happy to point out who I learnt it from

 

[chops_a_must]

Oh dear. So do we need to get back into the kitchen, put on our aprons, and lovingly await the return of the lord and master?

I think a lot of women miss the point with feminism.

It isn't abbout gaining equality through being masculine, a man hater, butch or arrogant.

It's about gaining equality through innate intellectual qualities and processes - on women's terms. Not simply replicating men.

And FWIW, it's not the career women that men find intimidating. It's the arrogance I think. I certainly don't have a problem with dating career women, and none of my male friends do. That's just silly.

 

[milothedog]

Dear chops,

truly, I don't believe you are in a position to assume about what women get from feminism. if you have the presumption that a feminist wants to be a man, you a genuinely missing the point. if you assume equality will make a woman masculine, there is no point in debating this with you, as you truly do not understand..

 

[nioka]

Dear chops,

truly, I don't believe you are in a position to assume about what women get from feminism. if you have the presumption that a feminist wants to be a man, you a genuinely missing the point. if you assume equality will make a woman masculine, there is no point in debating this with you, as you truly do not understand..

Chops can defend himself but I do think you misunderstand what he has said. I read it differently. However I think that the problem with SOME women is that they think they have to ACT like men just to get equality. Believe me they do not have to do that at all. Equality is not "sameness". For instance should iI not be able to be a chairMAN at a meeting because the word offends some women.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Yep same here.I could only give an opinion on feminism based on a males cognitive bias.What I see is they are all different psychologically, yet unified as females.

 

[subaru69]

The other side to this discussion is 'Men turning into Women.'

When I was in primary school people started talking about SNAG's, now it's Metrosexuals.

In some bizarre way I do believe in gender roles having a place as men and women are naturally better (or worse) at certain things. In general though if a woman wants to be less feminine or a man less masculine then let them. Nature will always return to balance, whatever that may be.

For me personally, I don't like seeing people taking up the worst parts of the opposite gender in an attempt to identify.
A woman being violent, uncool.
A man being bitchy, uncool.
A father taking responsibility for his children and the mother going out to work, progressive.

 

[wayneL]

BTW, that cracking sound you heard....

 

[springhill]

The other side to this discussion is 'Men turning into Women.'

Just where i was going to take this discussion when i saw it. The problem isnt women turning into men, its vice versa

Guys wearing pink, wearing makeup, moisturising, using product, wearing f**king scarves, drinking lattes, eating ceasar salads, driving hyundai excels, crying during movies, carrying 'manbags', getting manicures, owning 15 pairs of shoes, wearing cologne that smells like perfume and so on and so on..... WTF?!?!

Enough to make me sick, now excuse me while i go shave my back and scratch my balls

 

[chops_a_must]

Dear chops,

truly, I don't believe you are in a position to assume about what women get from feminism. if you have the presumption that a feminist wants to be a man, you a genuinely missing the point. if you assume equality will make a woman masculine, there is no point in debating this with you, as you truly do not understand..

WTF?

How did you get to that conclusion?

Chops can defend himself but I do think you misunderstand what he has said. I read it differently. However I think that the problem with SOME women is that they think they have to ACT like men just to get equality. Believe me they do not have to do that at all. Equality is not "sameness". For instance should iI not be able to be a chairMAN at a meeting because the word offends some women.

Pretty much.

I wasn't saying equality makes women turn into men. I was saying that that is a potential pit fall which wrongly interpreted feminism can lead to. And IMO, is not what feminism is about. Nor is it to the intelligent women I speak to about it.

Feminism is not sleeping your way to the top like a lot of women seem to think, for instance. That would be replicating male behaviour...

And P.S. - it obviously didn't occur to you that excluding people's opinions on the basis of sex, IS discriminatory, and really, quite hypocritical.

 

[chops_a_must]

Just where i was going to take this discussion when i saw it. The problem isnt women turning into men, its vice versa

Guys wearing pink, wearing makeup, moisturising, using product, wearing f**king scarves, drinking lattes, eating ceasar salads, driving hyundai excels, crying during movies, carrying 'manbags', getting manicures, owning 15 pairs of shoes, wearing cologne that smells like perfume and so on and so on..... WTF?!?!

Enough to make me sick, now excuse me while i go shave my back and scratch my balls

Can you hold my beer?

I'm having a piss while I type.

 

[wayneL]

Yeh agree there.

Let's get back to stereotypes ferchrissake!!

 

[Julia]

I'm rather surprised that this is being taken so seriously - I'd thought it was a fairly flippant suggestion, and hence my silly response.

I might not be in a good position to judge, as a baby boomer, but I don't see younger women these days as particularly aggressive or lacking in so called femininity. I'd actually find it pretty hard to define femininity as a characteristic.

Might be interesting for some of you blokes to say what does constitute a feminine women, your ideal, if you like. It seems that - other than Chops - you don't feel too comfortable with a woman who is assertive about getting what she wants!

 

[subaru69]

"If you haven't gotten a blow job from a superior officer, well, you're just letting the best in life pass you by."(Jack Nicholson, A Few Good Men (1992)

C'mon Julia, I love women on top. :

 

[wayneL]

I'm rather surprised that this is being taken so seriously - I'd thought it was a fairly flippant suggestion, and hence my silly response.

I might not be in a good position to judge, as a baby boomer, but I don't see younger women these days as particularly aggressive or lacking in so called femininity. I'd actually find it pretty hard to define femininity as a characteristic.

Might be interesting for some of you blokes to say what does constitute a feminine women, your ideal, if you like. It seems that - other than Chops - you don't feel too comfortable with a woman who is assertive about getting what she wants!

There probably are a lot of guys who don't like assertiveness in women. I married one. She is a trainer of sportspeople (equestrian) and you under-perform at your personal peril.

But she is still feminine, so I don't see an inverse correlation between assertiveness and femininity.

 

[GreatPig]

you under-perform at your personal peril

Just what every guy needs: performance anxiety!

GP