Heath Ledger Found Dead

[Julia]

vida
Praise Germaine if you wish

but if you have any influence with her
tell her she (and you) can desist from pouring acid on the Irwins ( for mine)
It is not a becoming trait, and is unlikely to endear her to Aussies who live in Aussie.

Just because you disagree with Vida does not mean she is not entitled to her opinion. You don't have a monopoly on the right to an opinion.

Back on thread
How about Major Michael Mori for Aussie of the Year

What on earth are you talking about?
He's not even an Aussie !!!

 

[2020hindsight]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/29/2148987.htm?section=justin

Ledger had charisma as 'natural as gravity'
Posted 8 hours 58 minutes ago
Updated 8 hours 37 minutes ago

Christopher Nolan, director of Batman sequel The Dark Knight, has told of working with Heath Ledger, remembering him as a creative actor that had a memorable presence on set.

Ledger plays the psychotic, mass-murdering, skateboarding Joker in Nolan's film, set to be released in July.

..." real charisma - as invisible and natural as gravity. That's what Heath had."

Nolan also told of Ledger's thoughtfulness, saying he thanked each crew member after asking them to work late one night... etc

 

[Stan 101]

What on earth are you talking about?
He's not even an Aussie !!!

I'm with 2020 on this. That man put his career on the line for all Australians basic right to a fair trial and much more like actually being charged for something, anything before being detained for 5 years in a modern day hell on earth.

Cheers,

 

[Stan 101]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/29/2148987.htm?section=justin

If only he'd applied himself more in "makeup application 101."


cheers,

 

[Julia]

I'm with 2020 on this. That man put his career on the line for all Australians basic right to a fair trial and much more like actually being charged for something, anything before being detained for 5 years in a modern day hell on earth.

Cheers,

Doesn't make him eligible for Australian
of the year.
And wasn't he simply doing his job in the same way that every lawyer is supposed to in terms of providing the very best service he can for his client?

 

[2020hindsight]

Just because you disagree with Vida does not mean she is not entitled to her opinion. You don't have a monopoly on the right to an opinion.

Julia
Vida's entitled to her opinion - shame it's so insulting of the Irwins, and shame it's not a bit better informed that's all.

She continues to insult the Irwins-
It has come to the point where I'm not insusted.
To be insulted I would have to respect someone's opinion.

Question is that it's obvious she knows little of what they have done / continue to do.

She praises Greer's efforts with rehabilitating a patch of forest

but ignores the Irwins who have done ... 100 times as much sheesh.- and stay here and work hard at it.

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/qld/content/2006/s1733536.htm

Thanks seaking.

2006:- The world-renown British naturalist David Bellamy says he admired the way Steve Irwin invested some of his huge television earnings into the environment, particularly through Wildlife Warriors Worldwide. WWW was founded in 2002 by Steve and Terri Irwin. It currently (2006) owns 90,000 ha of land as safe wildlife havens in southern and western Queensland and other countries. It also funds an animal hospital and assists in conservation work in India, Indonesia and South Africa. It's where Steve Irwin's family wants tributes and donations to go following his death.

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http://www.australiazoo.com.au/conservation/programs/habitat.php

Heathland
250 acres.
Purchased 2002.
Most endangered Sunshine Coast habitat type.
250 acres of Heathland endangered flora type.
Endangered/ rare species, Black Cockatoos (Red-tailed, Yellow-tails and Glossy), Gliders (Greater, Sugar and Squirrel, Feathertail), Acid Frogs, Koalas, Echidnas, Antichinus, Richmond Birdwings.
Platypus.
Locally extirpated reptile species- Frillies, Red-bellied blacks and Tiger snakes.
Last stronghold for many species of birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians and insects.
Riparian/ bush links and corridors.
Old growth forest.
Native reforestation, habitat restoration.

Iron Bark Station

3450 acres. Great dividing Range, where East coast meets dry West.
purchased-325 acres in 1994 to save a dwindling koala population- less than 12 left.
Immediately commenced reforestation including 44,000 Eucalypts.
Purchased 325 acres in 1998, of totally destroyed/ poisoned cattle property- commenced immediate reforestation, restoration.
Established 5 acre hack-out facility for rehab marsupials in 1999.
Purchased 1,000 acres of grazing property in 1999.
Year 2000, Lyn Irwin Memorial Fund.
Bob Irwin became full time manager of Iron Bark Station.
We will continue to expand on purchasing adjoining land as it comes available.
Iron Bark Station is designated as a wildlife sanctuary and Australia's foremost rehabilitation/ release facility for native species.
Since 2001 a full time wildlife rehabilitator has been instated.
Purchased 1,800 acres in 2002.

Westbore

83 000 acres Located in the south western corner of Queensland in the most endangered habitat type in Australia.
Known as the "Brigalow Belt" (Acacia Woodland).
In 2000 a further 18,000 were purchased
Year 2001, purchased approx. 25,000 acres including 6,000 acres of pulled grazing land with sheep, cattle and goats.
14,000 acres of virgin old-growth Brigalow Belt flora. 5,000 acres of grazed and logged woodland with minimal disturbance.
Year 2002, July, purchased adjoining cattle property approx. 18,000 acres including 4,000 acres of woodland which has been affected by long-term grazing pressure. 10,000 acres of virgin old-growth Brigalow Belt flora.
In year 2003 further parcels of 17 000 acres and 5 000 acres were added.

Current program

Feral pest management.
Revegetation and habitat restoration.
........
Construct and establish an educational facility and science/ interpretive centre.
Fauna surveys and environment assessment.
Adjoining land acquisition.
"Brigalow Belt" land acquisition.
Establish endangered species breeding areas for Bilbies and Northern Hairy-nosed Wombats, Womas & Yakka skinks.

vida
Irwins ...90,00ha. in 2006
You sure you've researched the Irwins?
Suggest that when you have a chance and it's ready - consider booking into one of their "educational facilities" maybe?

 

[2020hindsight]

Doesn't make him eligible for Australian
of the year.
And wasn't he simply doing his job in the same way that every lawyer is supposed to in terms of providing the very best service he can for his client?

You mean if he's not Aussie
he can't be Aussie of the year ???

no kidding Julia !!
hot diggity dog - I never thought of that .

 

[Stan 101]

Doesn't make him eligible for Australian
of the year.
And wasn't he simply doing his job in the same way that every lawyer is supposed to in terms of providing the very best service he can for his client?

Good points both, though I see it through a slightly different filter than you.

No he is not eligible so let's make him a honorary citizen of this country and pay him, in my most humblest opinion, his dues.
Yes, he was simply doing his job. And what a crappy job it was. Probably ruined his career for doing that job of his. It took a strong man. A brave and fearless man to stand up for his client so steadfastly. Flaunting his employer and his country's want to crucify a still innocent man (remember, Hicks still hadn't been charged. Hence truly innocent in the eyes of the law at that point) with the grit and determination of a moral and decent man knowing he was on a hiding to nothing and still continued with undoubtedly many sleepless nights away from his family.
Yes he just did his job, but the burden he carried. I'm sure many a human being faced with a similar task would have kept a low profile, been seen to have gone through the motions yet never took the client's wellbeing into any real consideration. You know, appease the generals and appease the bar...Get the case over with, probably get a promotion for not rocking the boat, then on to the next trial.

I don't expect many to agree. Being held at a border crossing for only a few hours in a foreign country can make one think how much your country really cares... 5 years is a long time to wait for your government to give a damn for you.


cheers,

 

[2020hindsight]

:topic
Stan 101
at least the Aus lawyers recognised him...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mori

Presented in June 2007 with an honorary membership of the Australian Bar Association for his defence of David Hicks.[8] In October 2007 Mori was awarded a civil justice award from the Australian Lawyers Alliance as "recognition by the legal profession of unsung heroes who, despite personal risk or sacrifice, have fought to preserve individual rights, human dignity or safety".[9]

PS gee this Aussie of the year thing is a widely distributed thread lol - like bludy grounsel!

 

[barnz2k]

PS: I AM vegan and Steve did a LOT of good. Many of the animals in his park are rescued or removed (he took crocs out local rivers etc rather than having someone shoot it!). I'm not a big fan of Zoos, but conservation parks (more what his place is) are necessary now because of other influences humans have had.
He likes the spot light for sure, and he used it for the better.

 

[Stan 101]

PS gee this Aussie of the year thing is a widely distributed thread lol - like bludy grounsel!

And I'm willing to make a fool's guess you had something to do with every outbreak of it. Just like in this thread


On Julia's point on Vida: For sure she is entitled to her opinion just like everyone else. It's great to hear other views. Just expect the odd retort if some of what's said is fiction.

cheers,

 

[vida]

I think Major Mori did a lot more than just his job. He put his career on the line and committed his life to the fight for justice for David Hicks over those years. He is an outstanding person, an excellent and heroic advocate for his very endangered troubled vulnerable client whose government deserted him.

 

[vida]

Crocodile tears - blog by Jack Marx

We're a fickle mob, yes we are. Back in 2004, we were lining up to crucify Steve Irwin for apparently endangering the life of his infant son, Bob, during a televised incident that made world news. Today, the same man is "our Steve", "Irwin the superstar", a "phenomenon", an "Aussie hero", an "Australian legend", "our man", "our lovable larrikin" - not a hint of the scornful regard in which we held him just two years ago, replaced with a no less cynical sauce that borders on complete insanity, today's papers once again so choked with teary tributes and agonised eulogies I can't even bring myself to search for the rest of the news. This is the way of things in the 21st Century - death, far more newsworthy than life, sucks the frankness and honesty clean out of the media.

Now, for heaven's sake, don't commit the error of thinking I'm kicking Irwin here. I liked Steve Irwin - or, at least, I liked his public persona. I didn't know him personally, so I can't speak of him intimately (as many others appear to be comfortable doing). But everyone I know who knew him, or who met him in passing, seemed determined to impress upon me the news that he was as good a bloke as he seemed. While not moved to tears by his death (I didn't know him, you see), I can at least say I'm sorry he's gone, and that I feel for his wife and children. Who wouldn't?

But what winds me up about celebrity death these days is the manner in which the frauds in the media fair blow their loads in the "outpouring of grief" that has became standard issue since Diana's sick and prolonged exit. Footage runs in slow motion as pianos tinkle, while every columnist with the imagination of a duck jumps up for their own gooey turn at the pulpit in a free-to-air funeral service that never ends.

During these times, anyone who dares speak his or her mind, giving an honest opinion unbothered by the forced public ceremony of misery, is howled down as a creep and a heretic by the very people who are being the fakes.

Germaine Greer is someone who has never ceased to speak her mind - if she feels strongly about something, you can depend upon her to voice it, and she doesn't care how many public hankies are filled with snot as a result. Today, Greer hasn't disappointed her own reputation, adding a touch of vinegar to the volumes of syrup that we've endured since Monday. Those journalists carrying Irwin's casket have dropped their charge in pursuit of the gatecrasher, the "outpouring of grief" suddenly morphing into an explosion of sanctimonious outrage.

Loudest of all is the Melbourne Herald Sun, who report today that "a storm of fury has erupted over Germaine Greer's criticism of Steve Irwin". In fact, the "storm" was induced by The Herald Sun's own journalists, jumping on the phone to extract whatever inclement weather they could muster from interested (or otherwise) parties. It was a piece whose opinion was decided with or without the phone calls, editorialising thusly:

"The expat Aussie, known more these days for her regular bashing of her homeland...hit below the belt as she accused Irwin of sending the wrong message to kids."

This is interesting, for, two years ago, The Herald Sun led the witchhunt for Irwin, Jill Singer hooking in good and proper in an editorial headlined: "Dad's a Drongo". In contrast to Greer's "scathing attack", which at least had the temper to go the issue and not the man, Singer's piece referred to Irwin as "simple-minded", "Neanderthal", "a Tarzanesque, chest-beating reductionist", a "dangerous dropkick" and a "dill", before going on to declare that "this foolish pair" of parents were setting a lousy example indeed, their actions comparable to some of the world's more loathed personages:

"Steve has a lot in common with his heroes. John Howard toughens up the babies of asylum seekers by locking them behind razor wire from the time they're born, while George Bush assures the world that Iraqi and Afghani babies must be bombed for their own good."

The piece went on to compare Irwin to Michael Jackson.

I'm not saying Singer's piece was any more or less worthy than Greer's - in fact, I can appreciate both opinions, particularly today. If Irwin's death teaches us anything at all, it's that no situation involving wild animals is as "under control" as Steve would have liked us to believe back in 2004. If he could speak today, I'm convinced he'd agree that it was better the 'unexpected' happened when it did rather than when it simply might have.

What's happened between then and now? Nothing much, really - Irwin never changed his approach to life, and, as far as I know, never issued anything close to an apology for the way he lived.

What's changed is that, today, he's dead, and death sells by the bushell.

But you can't sell a dead "drongo", so it's "hero", "legend" and "larrikin" all the way, and anyone who doesn't toe that line is a creep.

How pathetic.

Posted by Jack Marx
September 6, 2006 10:17 AM

 

[Prospector]

I think Major Mori did a lot more than just his job. He put his career on the line and committed his life to the fight for justice for David Hicks over those years. He is an outstanding person, an excellent and heroic advocate for his very endangered troubled vulnerable client whose government deserted him.

I agree Mori is an amazing person, but wouldn't he have been ordered by US Marines to defend Hicks? And once that happens, as a Marine lawyer he would have to do his utmost to do that, or be courtmartialled himself?

I will throw in another line on this that has just occurred to me; maybe the US Government had to have someone like Mori defend Hicks, so whatever the outcome, they could wash their hands and say, 'well, if Mori couldnt do it, no-one could, and weren't we good to Hicks by letting Mori try?'

Back to the initial thread, Agro, what is with the photos?

 

[vida]

He didn't just defend Hicks pursuant to his job brief, he did a lot more. He travelled campaigning and pressuring for support in australia and usa - he did untold work far outside his brief as a lawyer. He got involved in the politics, commentating, giving interviews on media about Hick's rights, he left no stone unturned - he was simply incredible and much more than his job.

I can't believe people just don't appreciate all he did that he absolutely did not have to do. In fact he spent a lot of his own money doing things far outside his job brief - he did amazing work that was not motivated by simply his duty to his job but his passionate undying desire for justice

I agree Mori is an amazing person, but wouldn't he have been ordered by US Marines to defend Hicks? And once that happens, as a Marine lawyer he would have to do his utmost to do that, or be courtmartialled himself?

I will throw in another line on this that has just occurred to me; maybe the US Government had to have someone like Mori defend Hicks, so whatever the outcome, they could wash their hands and say, 'well, if Mori couldnt do it, no-one could, and weren't we good to Hicks by letting Mori try?'

Back to the initial thread, Agro, what is with the photos?

 

[vida]

I attended this opening tonight (see below blurb) and was astonished to find that Germaine had inspired the artist and there was at number 1 a fab doll sculpture creation of Germ's as she was in her 1970s famous nude photograph and also a doll sculpture creation nearby at number 18 of Steve with his a penis stretching out wrapped around a crocodile giving it the roll all the time holding a little baby in the palm of his hand. $1,200 each !!! cool !

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Gallery 1
Cecilia Fogelberg, Super Groupie
The first show at Craft Victoria with its own My Space page and Guitar Solo opening ‘speech' will also be our first exhibition for 2008. Cecilia Fogelberg brings Rock ‘n' Roll to Craft Victoria with hand-stitched sculptures of her favourite Australian Rock Gods including Bon Scott, Nick Cave , Ian Rilen, Tex Perkins and Angry Anderson. The sculptures have been inspired by arch-feminist Germaine Greer - the original ‘super groupie' - and encourage an active female aestheticism. Taking the form of ‘collector dolls', the sculptures are either full-sized figures or singular parts of the male anatomy. Fogelberg studied at the Victorian College of the Arts and has exhibited in Craft Victoria's annual showcase of the best graduate work from around the state – Fresh! The exhibition will be opened by legendary musician Spencer P. Jones ( Beasts of Bourbon ) and will be followed by an After Party at Cherry Bar , featuring X and The Rackets .

To be opened on Wednesday 30 January by Spencer P. Jones ( Beasts of Bourbon ).

 

[2020hindsight]

Lol - enjoyed your #57 post, vida
#58 was pretty good too - especially if you have a sense of humour like Steve did

 

[dalek]

This thread is becoming, at best confused, and possibly bizarre (what's with the pictures ??)
But I can see the beginnings of a mini series of "The life & Times of Heath Ledger" starring Michael Mori as HL and Germaine Greer as the crocodile.

 

[Julia]

This thread is becoming, at best confused, and possibly bizarre (what's with the pictures ??)
But I can see the beginnings of a mini series of "The life & Times of Heath Ledger" starring Michael Mori as HL and Germaine Greer as the crocodile.

Thanks for making me laugh, Dalek. That's pretty funny.
You could direct it. But only if you promise not to include any videos from U-Tube.

 

[2020hindsight]

This thread is becoming, at best confused, and possibly bizarre (what's with the pictures ??)
But I can see the beginnings of a mini series of "The life & Times of Heath Ledger" starring Michael Mori as HL and Germaine Greer as the crocodile.

ROFL
I think we'd better cancel all future Australian-of-the-Year awards. lol.

more seriously ....
No doubt one day I'll watch his Joker role in the next Batman thingo "Dark Knight" whatever. It will take on a special significance - since it seems the dark side of the character - plus his perfectionism / professionalism etc - kept his mind working to the point that he couldn't sleep - hence one thing lead to another - sleeping tablets - accidental death etc .

Jack Nicholson said he warned him not to use em. (as I recall the radio article anyway - others around here disagree with me) . Jack said he nearly had a crash whilst using them

Anyway, agro , I think your pictures are in poor taste - not funny, just poor taste (for mine) .