wayneL
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Ricky Ponting should be sacked
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Good pun.I think current ICC is headed by Mr Malcolm Speed who is an Australian Citizen and was interviewed by ABC TV tonight. End of the day it is big money game. If India forfeit the match then Australian Cricket Council would have lost $20 M and Indian Cricket Council $2 M towards fine. It was 1: 10 leverage. End of the day money speaks and spoken.
I have never posted so many responses to a single thread at a time. It is because I am a cricket lover and more to that a human being who believes dignitiy and honesty do not cost any money to apply but loses a hell out of it if some one does not have it.
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Re: Ricky Ponting should NOT be sacked
And not to mention a segue of Anna Coren-like proportions!
steady on rhen. i hardly think im being sychophantic or pious. i called for punters head a day before roebuck put anything to print.
theres a lot of issues being canvassed here. i think you are getting confused pal.
i dont like ponting as a captain for several reasons. i dont really care how much he celebrated after 3 wickets in 5 balls, but i do care that he neglects his duties as an australian cricket captain. a full explanation would take a page so we'll leave that for a bit.
we all know that bucknor was thrown to the wolves but he has had an absolute shocker. could u imagine the uproar if the situation was reversed!
the actions of the indian board was very ordinary, holding the tour to ransom, but part of me accepts it. essentially we called sachin tendulkar, one of sports greatest figures, a liar in front of the world.
i dont think proctor was the best bloke to pass judgement, considering the racial problems back home. he was always going to be oversensitive.
of course we play hard. thats ok. we win often. thats ok. however we all want a contest, we all prefer humility, fairness and justice. justice wasnt done on sunday and the cricketing world explodes.
but ponting is a great cricketer in the wrong job. too many errors over time that have been propped up by a talented team. one more..opening with johnson and not clark. indians hardly made to play, wheras clark entices a stroke every ball. lee and clark together and india are probably on the ropes from the get go.
our national standing in sportsmanship has nosedived all around the world. it takes years to build something up but a day to destroy it.
thank you ricky.
theres a lot of issues being canvassed here. i think you are getting confused pal.
i dont like ponting as a captain for several reasons. i dont really care how much he celebrated after 3 wickets in 5 balls, but i do care that he neglects his duties as an australian cricket captain. a full explanation would take a page so we'll leave that for a bit.
we all know that bucknor was thrown to the wolves but he has had an absolute shocker. could u imagine the uproar if the situation was reversed!
the actions of the indian board was very ordinary, holding the tour to ransom, but part of me accepts it. essentially we called sachin tendulkar, one of sports greatest figures, a liar in front of the world.
i dont think proctor was the best bloke to pass judgement, considering the racial problems back home. he was always going to be oversensitive.
of course we play hard. thats ok. we win often. thats ok. however we all want a contest, we all prefer humility, fairness and justice. justice wasnt done on sunday and the cricketing world explodes.
but ponting is a great cricketer in the wrong job. too many errors over time that have been propped up by a talented team. one more..opening with johnson and not clark. indians hardly made to play, wheras clark entices a stroke every ball. lee and clark together and india are probably on the ropes from the get go.
our national standing in sportsmanship has nosedived all around the world. it takes years to build something up but a day to destroy it.
thank you ricky.
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I think it's called tit-for-tat isn't it ?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/09/2134421.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/09/2134421.htm
Now suppose they only have Indian witnesses ? - how would we feel if they found hoggy gulty? (of anything serious - not talking about a minor sledge)
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http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343551
Doesn't sound like the cricketers will end up on the walls of the Aussie Hall of Fame
Doesn't sound like the cricketers will end up on the walls of the Aussie Hall of Fame
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Ludicrous statement. Bucknor is one of the worst umpires around. He has been a dead man walking for at least the past 12 months. Everyone in the game knows that he is well past his sell by date. I would guess that even the Australian cricket team would agree (but not openly)
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He is on the ICC's elite panel.
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Which means nothing. He is a nice guy. Let's not confuse that with professional competence. If he was a player he would have been dropped months ago.
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When India toured England last year, Bucknor gave a couple of equally ludicrous decisions. I had never previously seen Tendulkar remain at the crease in shock, before trudging off to a Bucknor lbw decision, shaking his head in confusion.
I think Bucknor's 'performance' in the Sydney test was the final straw for India.
As a side point, who out there think that Singh's amazing success with the ball against Ponting, influenced Ponting's decision to dob Singh in for racism and thereby try to get him banned?
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I posted that previously. Given the Aussies determinedness to win at all costs, including cheating (clarke's and ponting's catch) who in their right mind would believe them?
Especially Symonds, who for no reason walked up to Singh... and has admitted effectively he has absolutely no credibility when it comes to honesty...
exactly...
Doctorj... most of your points are valid, but your repeated statement that bucknor is a top umpire is making you loose cred...
bucknor was good about 5 - 8 years ago... the last few years he has been abysmal...
the fact is, he is over 62ish and is in fact, past the ICC's recommended retirement age for umpires anyway, which is 60... if you can't see or hear, you can't be an umpire... (ah, warnies famous can't bat, can't bowl sledge comes to mind
)so, all things considered, his best days are a long long way behind him...
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I always felt that was the case, that Ponting was increasingly being frustrated (personally) and lashed out. I was dissapointed with his behaviour even before the racism claim.
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Most of the guys in jail are probably nice guys but fact remained they were convicted due to criminal offences.
His Highness Mr Ricky Ponting is the nicest guy and his value for ethics, integrity is unquestionable. Since his team mates like Hussey, Gilly and Hayden are behind him 100%. Here is a specimen attached to show Ricky's integrity. Does any one remember Shakespeare's Julius Caeser and the speech of Mark Antonio ? "I am here to bury Caeser and not to praise him. Brutas was a holy man. Etc" . So Ricky is a holy man for some of us. (See photo).
Ironically my earlier detailed post was probably deleted by system fault screening . Probably it was too much for the system to swallow being a Ricky Fan. Fact remains that the action of Ricky, Bucknaor has made the Australians under microscope. It is a result of many years of abuse against all visitors when they come in Australia. Indian reaction was basically a volcanic eruption of the anger and frustration of many years. There are many Australians who support Indian actions as all of them wanted to see a good cricket for which the money is paid by the spectators and sponsors. THe players are forgetting that they are servicing the audience and sponsors to behave and play good cricket.
Does any one understand Monkey in Hindi is Hanuman who is worshipped by many Hindus in India ? Of course the stature of Symmonds does nto qualify him to be a God so he rightly thought it was a racist comment. It was Harbhazan' s fault who being a non Hindu person compared Symmond with a Hindu God which should not have been done. When Australians called SriLankans as black monkeys - was okay however.
http://publication.samachar.com/pub...l/ibnlive.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com
Fact remains good cricket has been assasinated by some people who did not understand the ramification of the murder. It divided the cricket lovers into two groups. It has done a great disservice to many of us (we should be discussing stocks and not cricket - what a waste of time by all of us now).
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Ponting would have very clearly known that his complaint would mean the calling in of an outside judge , in doing so , he has sent Bucknor on his way.
Bucknor may well be systematically blind as a bat , but Ponts had to go one further , in the name of the game ..... yeah right .....
New Captain please .
PS.. looking at the market today , second thoughts why rub it in , the analysts will come out by tonight calling a correction.
Bucknor may well be systematically blind as a bat , but Ponts had to go one further , in the name of the game ..... yeah right .....
New Captain please .
PS.. looking at the market today , second thoughts why rub it in , the analysts will come out by tonight calling a correction.
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Ponting has done nothing wrong and has no case to answer.
I am shocked that such a response has erupted from him following ICC guidelines on racism and for his determination to win.
If he did not have a determination to win we would also be calling for his head.
As for Steve Bucknor being dropped, I think it is a growing trend for counties to get the umpires they want.
Darrell Hair can't umpire Pakistan or basically anywhere on the sub continent and now bucknor is the same.
The ICC are gutless and have been ineffective and basically a honourary panel for some time now.
The ICC and other countries should get together and turn their back to the indian money and tell some of these teams that if they don't like it they can go away and play themselves.
Can you imagine the response the aussies will get in indian later this year?
I am shocked that such a response has erupted from him following ICC guidelines on racism and for his determination to win.
If he did not have a determination to win we would also be calling for his head.
As for Steve Bucknor being dropped, I think it is a growing trend for counties to get the umpires they want.
Darrell Hair can't umpire Pakistan or basically anywhere on the sub continent and now bucknor is the same.
The ICC are gutless and have been ineffective and basically a honourary panel for some time now.
The ICC and other countries should get together and turn their back to the indian money and tell some of these teams that if they don't like it they can go away and play themselves.
Can you imagine the response the aussies will get in indian later this year?
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Ok...a little of my identity:
Like Singh, I am Sikh by origin, with my grandparents originating no more than 50ks from where Singh lives.
'Monkey' is NOT a racist term in Punjabi, even when directed at a person of black origin. An analogy would be to call somebody a 'Pig' or any other animal.
So saying this, all we are talking about is sledging. BIG DEAL!!
I posted that previously. Given the Aussies determinedness to win at all costs, including cheating (clarke's and ponting's catch) who in their right mind would believe them?
Especially Symonds, who for no reason walked up to Singh... and has admitted effectively he has absolutely no credibility when it comes to honesty...
Chops, whats your problem? Ponting turned down a catch of Dravid, saying he wasn't sure after Dravid started walking. Then he caught Dhoni brilliantly of Hogg, as replays show it touching Dhoni's finger. And who the F*** said Clarkes catch wasn't a catch. You truly are a Dorker.
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No. Darrell Hair got sacked because he accused a team of something which was PROVEN not to be the case, and was also proven he had no evidence for.
Speaking to an ex international umpire, friend of ours years ago, I seem to recall him thinking that Hair was in fact a racist c**t...
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Replays also show him bench pressing the ball off the ground...
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