Confessed Terrorist Hicks

[Superfly]

False confession... prove it ....

Never a Terrorist ..... prove it ..

 

[Scuba]

You must have been with him during the genocide in Kosova when he was on the side the coalition (belatedly) backed... Was it you who took the pictures of Hicks with the RPG there that ended up all over the news in Australia as proof by media?

Double jeopardy?

 

[rederob]

False confession... prove it ....

Never a Terrorist ..... prove it ..

Hello Superfly.
In another thread I challenged you to outline the charges an Australian court could level at Hicks.

Are you up to that challenge or not?

For the record, and you could always go to the plea bargain agreement signed by Hicks, or the charge sheet (Hicks was never formally charged in the legal sense) Hicks admitted to providing material support for terrorism. In fact, by sheer association it was impossible for Hicks to defend his innocence against this charge. Alternatively, Hicks would have had to prove he was never where he was, rather than anything he actually did.

So, in law, Hicks is not a terrorist, was never charged with committing an act of terrorism, and never pleaded guilty to "being a terrorist".
qed

 

[2020hindsight]

a very qedible post there rob

 

[2020hindsight]

Tell you what Rob - There's a book I'd love to read..
when/if it comes out in ? maybe five or ten years.

"The career of Major / (Field Marshall?) Michael Mori"
or will that be
Corporal Mori? "

Given that other (successful) defense (oops) lawyers have had their careers severly thwarted.

 

[Timmy]

I think you got it the wrong way around. No Australian has to prove his or her innocence in an Australian court.

 

[2020hindsight]

We should have a poll

Should Michael Mori be given the OAM Order of Aust Medal? yes / no
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Australia

The Order of Australia is an order of chivalry established by Elizabeth II on February 14, 1975 "for the purpose of according recognition to Australian citizens and other persons for achievement or for meritorious service". The Order is divided into general and military divisions, with the following grades in descending order of seniority:

History
The Order was established on February 14, 1975 by Letters patent of Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, and countersigned by the then Labor Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. Before the establishment of the Order, Australian citizens received British honours.

:topic Needless to say, the OAM was introduced during Gough Whitlam's reign (before that we used British honours )

Likewise as per that recent show "The Adventure of English" - the Macquarie Dictionary - the first Aussie dictionary - only came out with the encouragement of Whitlam's govt .

Relevance? - a bit obtuse - but you could argue that - just as Menzies etc were too close to UK, Howard had gone too far towards USA could you not? - and the Hicks case was in large part about that USA/AUS relationship yes?

 

[happytown]

thread non conveniens

cheers

 

[2020hindsight]

http://www.nswbar.asn.au/docs/resources/publications/bb/bb134.pdf

mori gets record audience with NSW bar association

PS happytown - you're gonna have to help us with that one lol

Mind you, you can find any number of "bush lawyer" skills on google and/or wiki lol.

Furthermore, I found this comment there lol.. (heck - gotta go from memory - can't find the original)

"I have found that wikipedia has cleared up a lot of legal questions for me ... and I'm a lawyer!"

and what the heck does this mean ? - I'm guessing it's another compliement to wiki
"Pour une encyclopedie si utile." ”” Gabriel D. Matthews

 

[The Mint Man]

I love Lamp

 

[2020hindsight]

thread non conveniens

cheers

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f091.htm

it's more than inconvient ht, I'd guess .... Plurium Interrogationum

A loaded question
A question - in this case a thread title - with "a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition"

If you are saying that the entire thread title illustrates a lack of understanding by the thread starter -
and probably reflects badly on the integrity of ASF - then I'd be the first to agree with you.
then again - I suppose it can put with the (many other) provocative thread titles (here and on any other healthy discussion website)

Other examples of Plurium Interrogationum ...

Why are we so hated in the Muslim world?

Trouble is that one has more truth in it.

 

[happytown]

...

you're gonna have to help us with that one lol

...

20's

see forum non conveniens

cheers

 

[2020hindsight]

ht - thanks - ahh "inappropriate" - so since when have there been forums other than chat rooms?

 

[nioka]

False confession... prove it ....

Never a Terrorist ..... prove it ..

I'm sure that if he had a case to answer in an Australian court then he would have been charged. Hasn't he served enough time for being an idiot? Forget him and move on. Leave it to ASIO to see that he behaves himself in future, there are better things to occupy our time.

 

[happytown]

20's,

to put it in context see Rederob's

...


In another thread I challenged you to outline the charges ...

cheers

 

[doctorj]

and probably reflects badly on the integrity of ASF - then I'd be the first to agree with you.

Without wanting to put too many words in Joe's mouth, I'd say that within reason, ASF is happy to facilitate just about any rational, mature, intellectual debate as long as it remains so.

In this age of a highly centralised traditional media it's up to new forms, such as the internet, to address these social and moral issues - even if it comes under a deliberately provactive banner.

 

[rederob]

In this age of a highly centralised traditional media it's up to new forms, such as the internet, to address these social and moral issues - even if it comes under a deliberately provactive banner.

Not so much "provocative", but irrational.
The "poll" seeks views on Hicks needing to prove his innocence in an Australian court of law.
I would agree with the poll if there was a case against Hicks that could be made.
If there is not, then this is just another example of the ignorance that is peddled by the media (John Laws being at the top of the tree) and proliferated by foolish followers.
So far the thread starter is conspicuous by his inability to justify the thread.
Perhaps a case of put up or shut up?

 

[2020hindsight]

Americas latest (next) ambassador to Australia ? - this from 23aug2006, Adelaide.

"Australia was the only government in the world that came out publicly saying that the military commission system was fair for its citizens"

Americans wouldn't tolerate what has happened to David for their own citizens!

- the attorney general for the UK says it doesn't meet international legal standards

the law council of australia says it doesn't etc

the commission was found illegal by US supreme court.

If the aus govt doesn't oppose the next illegal system that they are trying to set up ... then I suggest YOU speak out in support of David.

yep mate - we did that .... last December.

David Hicks - Major Mori's address

Major Mori's speech at the rally for Australian citizen, torture victim and father of two, David Hicks. David has been held in US prisons for five years without trial, he has been subjected to torture and abuse unimaginable. The rally was organised by GetUp, Fair go for David and Amnesty International.

While the US has taken some flak over the behaviour of it's military in recent times, Major Mori has redeemed that to some extent with Australian audiences, highly principled, compassionate and professional, the Major continues to fight for Davids right to a fair trial and to get him back to Australia while the Australian government remains silent on the issue.

An American marine, fighting for the life of an Australian citizen, while the Australian government turns a bling eye.

Herald Americas latest ambassador to Australia

Note that there were police in the background

superfly
My guess is that you would have told him to move on - he couldn't speak on this !

especially when he says that the Australian govt agreed all along that David never violated Aus law.

 

[Sean K]

I vote why.

However, he is still possibly a very dangerous person to the Australian people and should be (and of course is) being watched VERY closely by ASIO/FP. The reasons why he went to the Stans in the first place are more than likely still in his illadjusted blood.

 

[2020hindsight]

just a point, but "why" = "no" yes?

(in the final washup)

I mean - I know why we have yes, and yes we need no
but I'd love to know why we have why yes?