Dr Haneef

[ithatheekret]

Guilt by association , the us and them syndrome .

Bring him back ........ and say sorry .

The way I see it , the gentleman is a proficient physician . We have a shortage in that sector .

But the association factor must be kept on alert ..... just in case , more so for those that may contact him etc.

Many will be trying to feed him spin , to corrupt his morals , with the mistreatment he has endured through an investigation and politically driven STUFF UP .

I couldn't care less if he was pink with purple poker dots , he does his job and was in the wrong place at the wrong time , associated with those who had secret ulterior motives .

It's those associates that need a microscope rolled over them and locking up .

 

[2020hindsight]

The way I see it , the gentleman is a proficient physician . We have a shortage in that sector .

But the association factor must be kept on alert ..... just in case , more so for those that may contact him etc.

well itha ... I cut out many parts from that 4 corners thing - which went on for 3/4 hour , but Julia just thinks I should ask people to "go to the link"

but here's one extract from the four corners transcript that I cut out ...
arguably as relevant as anything ..... the judgment of his peers ....

LIZ JACKSON: Dr Haneef had been working at the Gold Coast Hospital on a temporary skilled workers visa, since September last year.

All his hospital colleagues, were interviewed by police.

Dr David Green is the director of the Emergency Department.

DAVID GREEN, GOLD COAST HOSPITAL: He was a well-liked doctor. He was very careful, very caring, asked for advice appropriately, his supervising registrars all thought he was quite an exemplary young doctor and since that time he... we worked in liaison with him in other units and also you know, he did some relieving with us.

 

[rederob]

DAVID GREEN, GOLD COAST HOSPITAL: He was a well-liked doctor. He was very careful, very caring, asked for advice appropriately, his supervising registrars all thought he was quite an exemplary young doctor and since that time he... we worked in liaison with him in other units and also you know, he did some relieving with us.

He's clearly "one of the boys".
Come again, Dr Haneef!

 

[2020hindsight]

I guess you could consider this from his side... ( mean , he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth - as you can guess from his command of english ... still he is a dedicated doctor by the sounds of things

born in Mudigere, a town about 300 kilometres from Bangalore, and where he went to school. His father was a teacher and died when Haneef was 18-years-old. He and his family moved to Bangalore when he won a scholarship to medical college.

He graduated in 2002. In 2004 an Islamic charity leant him money to pursue his studies working as a doctor in the United Kingdom.

comes to aust - keen , impresses his peers.

then gets into this quagmire - hasn't worked for ?? 6 months ?? (at least not in Aust) - certainly he didn't work for the period 1 July to 28 July. (during which he was in detention).

Furthermore his reputation is obviously - i mean OBVIOUSLY - of critical importance to him - sheesh !!

This is what four corners said after 3 months ....

MOHAMED HANEEF: Going abroad for further studies anywhere in the world or to work for any other institution in the world or attending any conference. It all depends having a clear record.

I don’t have a job at this time and I’m just relying on my what I was savings and what I’ve done.

I was the sole carer for my family ah and my (sigh), my brother and my mother.

A criminal record XXX correction ( charges were dropped) - criminal slurrs allegedly unresolved - (if you believe Andrews) ...- would wipe him out!

So I would expect him to go for compensation . ( my guess) .

 

[noirua]

I'm sure his services would be needed in Bangalore!

 

[Julia]

I'm sure his services would be needed in Bangalore!

That's an interesting point. His lawyers have said he is unemployed.
Wouldn't a job in his home town surely be available to him while he decides whether to come back to Australia? We saw pictures of him being welcomed back like a hero when he arrived in India.

 

[Happy]

Conspiracy theory, anybody?

 

[Julia]

Conspiracy theory, anybody?

What do you have in mind, Happy?

 

[2020hindsight]

mmm
conspiracy, lemme think
That people want to get the miriad of Indian doctors in Aus to leave,
so that the Australian medical / hospital resources are reduced to their knees,
so that the Labor govt can't meet it's promised improvements
and they can say "we told you so " ??

naaa

as someone said once, "when you have the choice of conspiracy or ignorance, always go with ignorance"

 

[visual]

mmm
conspiracy, lemme think
That people want to get the miriad of Indian doctors in Aus to leave,
so that the Australian medical / hospital resources are reduced to their knees,
so that the Labor govt can't meet it's promised improvements
and they can say "we told you so " ??

naaa

as someone said once, "when you have the choice of conspiracy or ignorance, always go with ignorance"

2020, are you an immigration broker dealing mainly with Indian doctors?
You most certainly are not a patient of one of these so called doctors, who not only don't understand english but also don't speak it. At least that was my personal esperience. And I also ask why is he unemployed? surely he could keep his skills up to date by working on his own people? after all God's know they need him more than us! or do they need good doctors who will work for free?

By the way you'll find that actual Indians have little symphaty for this guy, true! A lot of what you are putting up seems to be the ABC preferrred truth but is it the whole story! that is the question, a cunundrum, to be sure to be sure.

 

[2020hindsight]

1. 2020, are you an immigration broker dealing mainly with Indian doctors?

2. You most certainly are not a patient of one of these so called doctors, who not only don't understand english but also don't speak it. At least that was my personal esperience.

3. And I also ask why is he unemployed? surely he could keep his skills up to date by working on his own people? after all God's know they need him more than us! or do they need good doctors who will work for free?

4. By the way you'll find that actual Indians have little symphaty for this guy, true! A lot of what you are putting up seems to be the ABC preferrred truth but is it the whole story! that is the question, a cunundrum, to be sure to be sure.

visual
1. no - just interested in fair play. and particularly interested in the first application of the 2004 amendments to the ant-terrorism laws. Aren't you ? These are interesting times , visual.

2. Sure there are Indian etc doctors working at the local medical centre. So far I have no complaints (but yes, I'm glad I didn't go to the hospital in Budaberg a year or two back )

3. I think I preceded that comment "he hasn't worked since" with - this is what the ABC said "3 months after his initial detention" = i.e. 3 months ago. - one month of which was spent in a Brisbane jail.

He didn't work for that month (at least) - are you gonna deny him compensation for that month?

True, I wish I hadn't emboldened that text, as it wasn't the main point I was trying to make.

He could well have been working for a month or three since.

But either way he could be entitled to compensation - and even more so if his chances of getting work overseas are unfairly compromised.

Incidentally, I'm sure if WE employed him again, then that would reduce his chances for compensation. (and didn't I read that he still has to complete some milestone in his postgrad study at Gold Coast?)


4. And I also mentioned that my Indian friends (who speak better english than I do incidentally) were also initially inclined to call him guilty - BUT that was when we all thought his SIM card was used in a bomb. - which was BS as you know.

 

[2020hindsight]

apropos of nothing, but I notice (following on from Andrew Symonds getting such a hard time by the crowds in India) that they have ruled that anyone caught making racial remarks to the Indian team in Melbourne would be banned (from the MCG) for life

 

[rederob]

2020, are you an immigration broker dealing mainly with Indian doctors?
You most certainly are not a patient of one of these so called doctors, who not only don't understand english but also don't speak it. At least that was my personal esperience. And I also ask why is he unemployed? surely he could keep his skills up to date by working on his own people? after all God's know they need him more than us! or do they need good doctors who will work for free?

By the way you'll find that actual Indians have little symphaty for this guy, true! A lot of what you are putting up seems to be the ABC preferrred truth but is it the whole story! that is the question, a cunundrum, to be sure to be sure.

Classic racism again visual.
Haneef is softly spoken with a better grasp of English than many Australian born (and I trust your is spoken English better than your spelling).
Haneef's future is shrouded in uncertainty.
If he accepts an appointment overseas, he jeopardises the skills-base he was progressing through at Southport (Queensland) which will lead to considerable advancement as a physician.
Putting it mildly, the Queensland Government is very keen for his return as our public hospitals are crying out for competent doctors, which his peers consider him.
Finally, Haneef has a natural reluctance to return to Australia without some surety that the federal Government does not concoct yet another charge that taints his character: Once bitten, twice shy!

 

[visual]

Fair play, hmmmm well the other doctor under suspicion stayed and was cleared this guy ran, yes ran, cut it as you like it he ran, the bull about wanting to see his daughter, what rubbish, his daughter was weeks old, yet he only got the desire to see her when his cousins started to blow up Glasgow airport. What a father, yes give him a prize. Listen you want to run the risk of welcoming people of his calibre to Australia go ahead and move to India, don't try and dum us down to accept risks that we shouldn't it. I call that fair play. Interesting comment you make about Bundarberg, so because the people being endangered weren't you, you can live with it, but what if it was you, what would be your opinion then?

Ps. by the way his lawyer Peter Russo still claims that haneef is unemployed, so forget the one month, what's the reason he has chosen not to work, yes even in a limited capacity, or better still as a volunteer in his own country, you'd think that while he's doing nothing he might as well be constructive, don't you agree?

 

[chops_a_must]

By the way you'll find that actual Indians have little symphaty for this guy, true! A lot of what you are putting up seems to be the ABC preferrred truth but is it the whole story! that is the question, a cunundrum, to be sure to be sure.

That's probably for similar reasons as Salman Rushdie. You work it out...

 

[chops_a_must]

Listen you want to run the risk of welcoming people of his calibre to Australia go ahead and move to India, don't try and dum us down to accept risks that we shouldn't it.

That's going on the wall!

 

[moXJO]

It’s really past the point of bringing him back as far as I'm concerned. So he was hard done by, tough S***.It was a very bad judgment call, but overkill won the day and he got the boot. Theres a million sad stories off people being absolutely ruined by government agencies but add terror suspect and you’re an instant media hero.
There’s enough of a cloud round this bloke for patients to be put off in my opinion. Who knows what the truth really was in the end. From what I've seen lawyers do first hand, who knows what was going on. I don’t see the point on wasting taxpayer’s money on it anymore then it already has been.

 

[2020hindsight]

1. Fair play, hmmmm well the other doctor under suspicion stayed and was cleared this guy ran, yes ran, cut it as you like it he ran,

2. the bull about wanting to see his daughter, what rubbish, his daughter was weeks old, yet he only got the desire to see her when his cousins started to blow up Glasgow airport. What a father, yes give him a prize.

3. Listen you want to run the risk of welcoming people of his calibre to Australia go ahead and move to India, don't try and dum us down to accept risks that we shouldn't it. I call that fair play.

4. Interesting comment you make about Bundarberg, so because the people being endangered weren't you, you can live with it, but what if it was you, what would be your opinion then?

5. Ps. by the way his lawyer Peter Russo still claims that haneef is unemployed, so forget the one month, what's the reason he has chosen not to work, yes even in a limited capacity, or better still as a volunteer in his own country, you'd think that while he's doing nothing he might as well be constructive, don't you agree?

visual,
let's start with point 4 - reverse order.
4.

So far I have no complaints (but yes, I'm glad I didn't go to the hospital in Budaberg a year or two back )

I'd like to correct that ... (under your masterful tutelage )..

I'm glad I didn't go to the hospital in Budaberg a year or two back

happy now?

two questions for you visual -
a) who takes the blame for the Bunderberg situation
b) should we send ALL Indian doctors home ?

3. not only do I welcome him back - so does "The full bench of the Federal Court"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/21/2125622.htm

Federal Immigration Minister Chris Evans will not move to cancel Indian doctor Mohamed Haneef's work visa.

The full bench of the Federal Court in Melbourne today dismissed an appeal by the former immigration minister Kevin Andrews against reinstating Dr Haneef's visa.

Mr Andrews revoked Dr Haneef's visa in July, despite a terrorism related charge against the Brisbane doctor being dropped.

Senator Evans says Dr Haneef is free to return to work in Australia under his current 457 Visa, which is valid until 2010.

2. As it was he didn't see his daughter till she was (an extra) month older. Mainly because he was falsely charged and locked up in Brisbane.

I'm probably more interested on how they should handle it next time - when it might be a REAL problem - maybe they should simply have detained him without charge?

I concede that (early on) this bloke had to be detained - question remains that he was, in the end, innocent.

1. He tried to leave, certainly - and relatively quickly - after telling his boss, calling the UK police three times, and then heading for the airport. So what's your problem Sherlock?

PS "daughter weeks old". You might be right, the daughter may be older than he claimed - ( do you know the facts?) - I mean it was something that logically flows from the ABC4corners facts that I posted (sorted by date). i.e. that he had been in Aus since (oops) sometime in "September 2006", - and IF that was continuous - and IF his wife didn't join him - and his child was born "late June". - about 9 and a bit months. etc. over term? who knows

Maybe you can clarify that point please - i.e. the age of his baby.

 

[2020hindsight]

lol - Lemme tell you some Aussie doctors my family have been to -

If we had chosen to sue them, they'd be broke.

 

[2020hindsight]

SF
Can I make a suggestion please .
when you start a poll like this, try to get a bit more information out in the open ....
maybe ask people ... if they'd

"welcome him back, no problems"
"not welcome him back because of terrorism risk" (arguably visual's point 2b)
"not welcome him back because of his doctoring skills" (arguably visual's point 4)
"not welcome him back because he's allegedly a lousy father" (arguably visual's point 2)
"not welcome him back because when he sees the :fan hitting the fan he decides to go to see his wife and family" (arguably v's pt 1)
"not welcome him back because we owe him some compensation" (arguably visual's point 5)
"not welcome him back because he's the wrong colour irrespective of his doctoring skills - taking into account the position for which he's employed" (arguably some of the other points made around here )

etc etc

the trouble is visual talks about not welcoming people "of his calibre"
Now either than means his doctoring skills or his terrorism risk.

I'm reminded of the one about the circus clown who was shot out of the cannon - and who is sacked .... then after a week or two , his boss comes crawling to his door pleading with him to come back - "all is forgiven"

"but why" asks the elated ex-human-cannonball-clown?

"because" says his boss, "people of your calibre are hard to find"