Who are you voting for?

[Julia]

Labor is hiding nothing ....

How do you know?

Its just pathetic Howard/Costello scare tactics and noone really cares.

Not true. I care and so do many others.

The Howard Government has had access to the Finance Department all year, but Labor could only start getting its policies assessed once the election was called !

Well, what have they been doing for the last five weeks?

Like i said Liberal needs to find another angle for the scare campaign no ones going to change votes because of this ,,,,,

Simply not true.

Your comments are not objective. There are still a lot of undecided voters out there - me among them - and Labor's apparent reluctance to have their policies costed by Treasury has a definite influence on how they/I feel.

 

[mark70920]

Spaghetti

One of my mates from university now works for the Brueau of Statistics in Melbourne, and one interesting fact before you start compliaining about how greedy the rich are is that out of all Australians the top 10% of the wealthiest people in Australia donate more than 70% of the money which goes to charity.

And if you find it unfair that the rich should get the baby bonus, i understand. But i also find it unfair that people who earn more than 300 - 400 K a year have to still pay for Medical Levy, while when most of them get sick they pay for it with there own money, now is that fair??

Spartn

:viking:

Howards mate Richard Pratt donates lots of money to charity and the Libral Party , he also ripped off the Australia Public to the tune 400 to 700 million dollars , pleaded guilty and got fined a paltry 36 million dollars.

 

[numbercruncher]

Hi Julia,


Thanks for pulling me up, sometimes i need a good slapping. Good points you made, Im sure there are some undecided who's decision will hinge on this, Labor has already submitted plenty for costing they will get there, but surely you can see Liberal has a huge advantage in both time and resources. About the only people i see dwelling on this issue are Liberal supporters, your about the only undecided ive come across to seem concerned.

Wonder how different the world would be if Gore beat Johnny's mate Bush ?

Thats kinda how i view this election.

Have a nice evening

 

[Whiskers]

"it's a practice the parties should follow as it will ensure their costings are reliable."

I agree, why then don't they provide all policies for costing, in particular taxation? Labour are selective and far from "reliable"

As for your cheap personal shots, they are just that and expected.

I'm a bit loathe to buy into this, but here goes.

As I recall this issue of policies getting costed by treasury comes up every year. I think it is all a bit of a beat up. After all John Howard didn't cost Work Choices before his last election. As far as I can recall he didn't announce a policy to introduce it pre election. It was only after he got control of the senate that he went goodie goodie, and went beserke with these policies.

There is a lot of noise about can you trust wall to wall Labor. As a swinging voter, I am more concerned about a howard government with control of both houses in Canberra and what other radical policies might hit the table.

That's what turns me off him a lot, from once voting for him to now seriously considering giving Labour a go. His dishonesty over the handling of Iraq, the wheat board bribery scandal, children overboard etc, leaves him with little credability for me. I'm afraid he has turned out to be a bit of a cameleon, changing colour (policy) to please his audiance. I think many people won't forgive him this time, especially when there is a viable alternative.

 

[rederob]

"it's a practice the parties should follow as it will ensure their costings are reliable."

I agree, why then don't they provide all policies for costing, in particular taxation? Labour are selective and far from "reliable"

As for your cheap personal shots, they are just that and expected.

I suggest you stop showing your ignorance and come to grips with what Labor put to the PM (as required under the Charter) on 30 October - which, incidentally, was very well covered by all Australian media outlets.
Is there something else you would like to know before I turn in for the evening?

 

[hangseng]

I suggest you stop showing your ignorance and come to grips with what Labor put to the PM (as required under the Charter) on 30 October - which, incidentally, was very well covered by all Australian media outlets.
Is there something else you would like to know before I turn in for the evening?

No, but please have a good sleep.

I can learn nothing from you.

 

[rederob]

There are still a lot of undecided voters out there - me among them - and Labor's apparent reluctance to have their policies costed by Treasury has a definite influence on how they/I feel.

Julia
Labor sent its key policies in for costing, and began on 26 October.
The Charter only allows Finance/Treasury to cost policies after the PM puts government into caretaker mode.
There is no capacity for the Opposition to have Treasury/Finance cost their policies without the government's consent, and the PM's once caretaker mode is invoked.
My earlier posted link can provide all the info you need on this issue.
It's a great con job that you and others seemed to have been sucked into if you believe Labor has dodged "costings", and who exactly has been perpetuating it?
Not another scare tactic from the Libs, surely?

 

[rederob]

No, but please have a good sleep.

I can learn nothing from you.

Yet I have learned from you.
And I continue to learn.
Many thanks for your honesty.

 

[Dukey]

Here's a nice bit of rhetoric from the one... the only ... Bob Ellis on the ABC website. Pretty much sums up where I'm at with this mob... Full article linked above is worth a read - though rather bleak as Ellis tends to be - maybe he forgot to take his medication...again...

"In my late old age, and my darkening humanist despondency (I'm an extremist, fundamentalist, humanist fanatic, my son says unforgivingly but kindly), I've lately thought of issuing a T-shirt, and it reads:

'I think it's wrong to kill people; I think it's wrong to torture people, and wrong to hurt children. That's what I think. I'm a bleeding heart. How about you?'

Because this is all, in the end, a bleeding heart is, and the Right was very shrewd when it made that description of ordinary human decency seem so damning, so naive, so unrealistic in a world of regrettable necessities like the inadvertent killing of tens of thousands of children, and the torture of many with dogs and sleeplessness and simulated drowning.

So I'm a bleeding heart, and I believe in right and wrong. And better and worse.

How about you?"

and OOhhh - those big red letters (added by myself - not Bob) are REALLY scary aren't they ? ...:hide:..
>> Anyone else notice how many big red letters have been all over the TV in this campaign of cr#p? And of course which side those ads were coming from?

.... & yes - I'm a bleeding Heart too - guess I forgot my medication ... again....

Good riddance John.

 

[Superfly]

I am not voting Howard. He is morally bankrupt and has taken away too many freedoms and rights. He has become too secretive and hires total morons like Andrews. The war is unforgiveable, I mean you simply do not just go around invading countries that result in total destruction and massive loss of life without accountability.

The economy has been good to me because I realised that the share of profits allocated to shareholders was increasing for shareholders and decreasing for workers so I quit working and now trade the market for my living. However I am not entirely sure this is really an ethical way to run a country.

So who I vote for will be the best one to knock off the liberal candidate.

I do hope Australia returns to be a nice country. Sick of rich people getting baby bonus and FOBG then complaining if a refugee gets a bed for a night or if a single mum has a galss of wine. A nasty streak seems to have grown under Howard's leadership along with right wing christianity strange enough.

So thats my feeling on the matter.

There are refugees and then their are economic refugess who try to enter Australia by unlawful means, and are rightly denied entry, show me one of our SE Asian neighbours who by their own actions don't support this type of action.

Why should people who pay the most tax, get less benifets than people who pay the least tax....

What about Labour not costing their policys ????

 

[Santoro]

Why should people who pay the most tax, get less benifets than people who pay the least tax....

Something to do with keeping society civilized.....

 

[rederob]

What about Labour not costing their policys ????

Not so Superfly.

It is an interesting tactic though... say it often enough and someone is bound to believe you - irrespective of the facts.
hangseng can't learn from me
But I did offer a link above, and a fuller explanation below:

Julia
Labor sent its key policies in for costing, and began on 26 October.
The Charter only allows Finance/Treasury to cost policies after the PM puts government into caretaker mode.
There is no capacity for the Opposition to have Treasury/Finance cost their policies without the government's consent, and the PM's once caretaker mode is invoked.
My earlier posted link can provide all the info you need on this issue.
It's a great con job that you and others seemed to have been sucked into if you believe Labor has dodged "costings", and who exactly has been perpetuating it?
Not another scare tactic from the Libs, surely?

 

[Superfly]

Not so Superfly.

It is an interesting tactic though... say it often enough and someone is bound to believe you - irrespective of the facts.
hangseng can't learn from me
But I did offer a link above, and a fuller explanation below:

So Labour only have to lodge their key policies and not all policies, why is that .... are we meant to just trust Saint Kevin that everything else is ok....

Hope people don't begin to turn a blind eye to Saint Kevin just because it's not John Howard.... and give the looney left a free ride to take Australia backwards again....

Or are we not meant to ask the hard questions about Labour, only about the Libs.....

 

[2020hindsight]

A quote from the past .. . In the words of Treasurer Peter Costello "The Howard treasurership was not a success in terms of interest rates and inflation... he had not been a great reformer."

As for stating the current finances of the nation .. let's hope Howard has done that a little more accurately this time. (The fact is that Keating inherited from Howard an economy in poor shape and turned it around very dramatically).

 

[Superfly]

Agree completely.

I started out in life in the trade sector and progressed to higher education completely at my own expense and in my own time at a cost exceeding $50,000 without even trying to calculate lost income to achieve what I did.

I have watched the bleeding hearts complaining about what the likes of me now earn. While they chose the easy path of kicking back and enjoying (all the time teling me to loosen up a little), I chose to sacrifice both expense and personal enjoyment and time with my family. I now have a great life as do my well educated family.

I also listen to those who call them the "working" person and me they now call "lucky". As a great golfer once said "the harder I work the luckier I seem to get".

Take a longer term view of life, not the Y generation must have it now view. No government Labour, Liberal or otherwise will ever change that.

I once read a book by Harvey McKay and he stated the education you pay for will be valued, completed and you will learn as you have a stake in committing to making it work. Never a truer statement was made.

...Agree 100%

 

[2020hindsight]

as a once-great golfer said - "who can afford to play golf these days"

 

[numbercruncher]

Why should people who pay the most tax, get less benifets than people who pay the least tax....

lol typical attitude of staunch Liberal supporters and a result of Howards devisive policies.

Next youll be demanding a halt to foreign Aid, afterall Foreigners pay us no tax !

Im sure Liberals will be happy to hear that they are recommending Fat people pay more for Airline tickets because of the extra weight costs, maybe itll get extended to Concert tickets too for the extra room they inhabit ?

This penny pinching attitude thats surfacing and spreading is really quite sad, and in a historical context UnAustralian.

But we cant expect much more from the Liberal neoconservative mindset can we.

 

[marklar]

I spent 4 years studying finance at Melbourne University

There is something seriously wrong with our education system if you were able to graduate from University with such poor spelling and grammar.

m.

 

[zt3000]

There is something seriously wrong with our education system if you were able to graduate from University with such poor spelling and grammar.

m.

its called the internet .. no 1 can spil or tipe properly on here! lol

 

[Dukey]

lol typical attitude of staunch Liberal supporters and a result of Howards devisive policies.

Next youll be demanding a halt to foreign Aid, afterall Foreigners pay us no tax !

Im sure Liberals will be happy to hear that they are recommending Fat people pay more for Airline tickets because of the extra weight costs, maybe itll get extended to Concert tickets too for the extra room they inhabit ?

This penny pinching attitude thats surfacing and spreading is really quite sad, and in a historical context UnAustralian.

But we cant expect much more from the Liberal neoconservative mindset can we.

Having been away from Oz for a few years , coming back periodically and now returned for good, I have notice a distinct increase in the prevalence of the un-Australian "I'm alright Jack" attitude, together with the American "show me the money" attitude.
I believe this has been fostered by Howard, Ruddock and Co. with their vote buying, cunning fear campaigns and endless smarmy vilification of downtrodden folks who need a fair go.

I - amongst many good Aussies I'm sure - am looking forward to a more compassionate Labor government to work on the traditional generosity, sympathy and empathy of the Australian people towards their brothers and sisters - both at home and abroad.

- Proud to have a bleeding heart.