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ok - does anyone understand the origins of grid iron?
is it true that
a) it's basically rugby except that the scrums approach each other with a running start .. :2twocents

b)they sure as hell have a lot of protective gear, and

c) for every minute on the field they seem to talk for 30 seconds - typical yanks lol
(hey wayne - nothing personal ok? lol)
 
S Africa v Poms should be a cracker. poms will lose and struggle to make it to the quarters, though i havent studied the draw yet.

its all fun and games till the quarters. if dunning plays we are no hope.
 

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Enoch said:
Eddie Jones should never be allowed back to Oz.
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lol - guess you're referring to opportunities for oversaes coaching jobs
- poor buga's gotta make a living , in my books.
If he knows so much , and it would be so disastrous to let on - then we should pay him to retire early and stay quiet ;)

Bit like Cricket, where Geoff Lawson goes to coach the Pakis, and tells them the weaknesses of the aussie batsmen :2twocents But it doesn't seem to bother anyone these days (?, yes?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Jones_(rugby)
Jones had a disastrous time with the Reds in 2007 as the once almighty team finished bottom of the Super 14 table and had only managed a meagre two wins the entire season. In his defence, disastrous injury spells meant Jones at times was to do without up to 8 regulars to his starting team, including the loss of influential Wallabies fullback Chris Latham even before the season started. Jones has hinted that he would probably never coach in Australia again, thus potentially closing the door on his long held ambition to return as coach of the Wallabies.

Jones has also helped to coach Top League team Suntory Sungoliath in Japan from time to time.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/14/2032949.htm

Wallabies' forwards ready to show they're no pushovers
Posted Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:40pm AEST

Almost two years on from Australian rugby union's day of shame, the Wallabies will gauge the regeneration of their forward pack against Wales in the noisy cauldron of Cardiff's Millennium Stadium.

The Wallabies have lived with the stigma of possessing a pack of pushovers in world rugby since England's tight five ruthlessly destroyed the Australian scrum at Twickenham on November 12, 2005.

From that nadir, the Australians, under forwards coach Michael Foley, have reconstructed the Wallaby pack to the extent where Foley, a hooker with the victorious 1999 World Cup team, declares they will become the best pack in the world.

The Australians will get a progress report card against the Welsh in their Pool B showdown on Saturday.

"I believe we will be the best pack in the world and it's when, not if," Foley said ahead of the Cardiff clash.

"This weekend is a big milestone for our forwards. Playing Wales at their home ground in a game they're desperate to win, we have to assert our authority.

"Our forwards had a tough season in 2005 and all credit to them for how much they've improved.

"They're committed to dispelling the image others have of them. We understand the perception lingers. We're not offended when people hang labels on us from the past, but we are very motivated to work towards the view that we are well and truly credible."

The Wallabies are regaining respect after the 2005 humiliation at Twickenham triggered when prop Al Baxter was sent to the sin-bin for not packing straight.

Matt Dunning switched to the tighthead and one scrum later was stretchered off with a neck injury. Australia's pack was further humiliated when the referee mercifully ordered that the remaining scrums be uncontested.

That black day led to the sacking of coach Eddie Jones who was replaced by John Connolly, an old-fashioned forwards coach.


Old heads

It has been Foley's task to rebuild the forward pack's technique and shattered confidence, starting with the Jones-era front rowers Dunning, Baxter and hooker Stephen Moore.

"Now it's not just the front rowers talking amongst ourselves," Baxter said. "We now have a coach to talk to."

Foley has told the Wallaby forwards their days of running and avoiding a scrummaging contest were over.

"We now enter the scrum as a full-blooded contest," Foley said.

"We want to scrummage on our ball. We want to scrummage on their ball. If nothing else, it's good for the spirits.

"Going into a game as a forward pack, where you are playing in an extremely confrontational, in-your-face position and being told, 'hey, let's duck and weave', without ever being set a goal to really go at them is a crying shame.

"We're going away from that and, touch wood, that will never come back into Australian rugby again."
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Best Aussie team since origins of the world cup 1987

Burke
Campo
Mortlock
Horan
Larkam (although Ella if he was around in 87)
Tune
Far Jones
Kefu
Wilio
Smith
Eales
Vickerman
McKenzie
Kearns
Blades

Comments/disagreements are welcome
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/02/27/1858617.htm
South Africa could be the team to beat: Connolly
Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:19pm AEDT

Wallabies Coach John Connolly has sounded out South Africa as one of the biggest threats ahead of the World Cup in France later this year
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http://www.sportingbet.com.au/uipub/sport.aspx?l1id=4&l2id=196621
The favourites are getting tighter

New Zealand 1.57 (unchanged from 1.58)
South Africa 4.50 (in from 6.00)
Australia 7.50 (in from 8.50)
France 11.00 (out from 9.00)

Ireland 26.00 (out from 19.00)
Argentina 31.00 (out from 26.00)
England 67.00 (wow, out from 29.00
Wales 81.00 (n/c)

Scotland 251.00 (n/c)
Italy 501.00 (out from 251.00)
Samoa 1001.00 (n/c)
Fiji 1001.00 (n/c)
 
previous post was old news - but new trend
this one is for tonight ;)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/13/2032411.htm
Wallabies wary of Welsh home ground record
Posted Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:05pm AEST

Connolly says Wales will be a much tougher test than Japan. Wallabies coach John Connolly has reinforced the importance of winning every game at the World Cup including Saturday's grudge match against Wales.

"We're very wary, they've got a pretty good history at home," he said.

"I remember the game they had against the All Blacks at the last World Cup. They can pull out very big performances at home as they've shown over the last few years."

Connolly says a loss, even in the group stages could end the team's World Cup hopes.

"History shows that no team has ever lost a game and went on to win the World cup," he said.

"Also it's about building momentum and building confidence in the team and it's important in that respect."
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Welsh National Anthem - Wales v England 6 Nations 2007
(I'm gonna go out a limb and guess that that's Katherine Jenkins but might be wrong).
whoever it is , she's real brainy lol.
Get a load of the passion ;)

Anyone want to bet that we don't see Katherine Jenkins leading the singing tonight ??
(even if this isn't her - but sure looks like her).
 

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I hate to be the one to bring it up but, did anyone else get the same amount of pleasure watching england get thumped by south africa.
Eddie Jones was looking quite at home up there with his now good friend jake white :0. I wonder if he will be let into the country again up if SA tip over the aussies.

With the big injury toll from this mornings game it must now be a tall order for england to come back from here. They are still by no measn a shoe for advancing either and there wil be lots of tickets suddenly come available if they get kicked out early.

The Samoan team must really fancy their chances taking them and should make for astellar match next weekend :)

Enoch
I thought their might of been a place for Micheal Lynagh in the team or even Gould. But can't say I follow the losing team too much. LOL

Cheers martin
 
x2rider said:
1. Eddie Jones was looking quite at home up there with his now good friend jake white. I wonder if he will be let into the country again up if SA tip over the aussies.

2. With the big injury toll from this mornings game it must now be a tall order for england to come back from here. They are still by no measn a shoe for advancing either and

3. there will be lots of tickets suddenly come available if they get kicked out early.
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1. ahh - Eddie just trying to put food on the table for his kids mate lol
2. and that explains the sudden drop in their odds maybe (??)
3. now you've got me thinking - BUT my bludy passport just expired damn !!
 
Hi x2rider,

My thoughts are as per a previous post Eddie shouldn't be let into the country again full stop irrespective of whether SA pip OZ at any time in the tournament.

Lynagh was a good player but having seen both he and Larkham I feel more comfortable with Larkham.

I would have liked to have seen more of Mark Ella but I was to young to remember and I don't know if he was part of the 1987 team. In fact from memory I think he retired at the ripe old age of 25 in 85 but I might be wrong.

I can't say I remember to much of Roger Gould other than I think he may have been a full back.

The other guy I would have liked to have seen more of was O'connor however he never played in a rugby world cup as in 87 he was playing league for Manly.

Believe it all not if I had to choose between SA and the poms I would probably prefer the Poms. Naturally I dislike both teams as well as NZ.

Can't wait till the game tonight.
 
Enoch said:
1. I would have liked to have seen more of Mark Ella but I was to young to remember and I don't know if he was part of the 1987 team. In fact from memory I think he retired at the ripe old age of 25 in 85 but I might be wrong.
2. Can't wait till the game tonight.
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1. m8, I agree - I saw Glenn and Mark in tandem in the Rugby sevens in HK around 1980
magic
2. we agree again !
3. I knew a bloke called Bob Templeton.
now there was a gentleman!!

PS I don;t mind the Kiwis - they are full of **** with their "comearti " stuff , but you gotta understand that they're stuck at the end of the world down there lol
even worse than us !!
SERIOUSLY downunder lol
 
Given the games that have been played already which team do you see as the most likely to win the cup?

I still see NZ as the most likely. However on their day Oz and or SA can beat them.

I am thinking that if Oz pip NZ in the semies without any injury concerns and then face SA in final SA may struggle given they will unlikely be threatened by any team until the final.

Maybe though I am just a one eyed Wallaby supporter.
 
Enoch said:
I am thinking that if Oz pip NZ in the semies without any injury concerns and then face SA in final SA may struggle given they will unlikely be threatened by any team until the final..
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spot on
we've done it already (beaten ABs in an upset ;)
and SA have gotta be the best bet (comparing their odds -
mind you tightening fast
 
Personally I describe NZ as 2 little islands in the south pacific....sounds a lot better than the bottom of the world!
 
Enoch said:
Hi x2rider,

Lynagh was a good player but having seen both he and Larkham I feel more comfortable with Larkham.
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Can't wait till the game tonight.
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rats they are saying that Larkham might be out.
Lynagh was one cool dude.
Larkham is nicnamed 'Bernie' lol (as in the movie with the dead bloke - lol)
he laughs ( at himself ) !! about that.

Now there is a bloke you'd like to have a beer with.

What is it about Union? So many eloquent speakers etc ;)

PS sheesh I just went through and deleted about 18 "lol's" in the first draft of this -
I must be pissed (again) lol
 
2020hindsight said:
rats they are saying that Larkham might be out.
Lynagh was one cool dude.
Larkham is nicnamed 'Bernie' lol (as in the movie with the dead bloke - lol)
he laughs ( at himself ) !! about that.

Now there is a bloke you'd like to have a beer with.

What is it about Union? So many eloquent speakers etc ;)

PS sheesh I just went through and deleted about 18 "lol's" in the first draft of this -
I must be pissed (again) lol
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Last I heard he was 50/50.

Perhaps it is John Connelly's way of putting doubt in the opposition minds.

Time will tell.

Anyway I havn't seen to much of Berrick Barnes as I am a Waratah's supporter.

Can't wait to see Beale next year and hopefully in the next world cup. He seems to have been having some outstanding games for the RAMS.

Bodes well for future years particularly if Barnes is any good as well.
 
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