Donald Trump - Loud mouthed American Idiot

[SirRumpole]

but nothing has improved in the World or the U.S, since he has been replaced, if anything they have become worse.

Well, we will probably never know.

Trump may well have handed the Ukraine over instead of making it tough for Russia, and what then? If we believe he said the US would not come to Europe's aid if they were attacked then one by one the US's allies would be picked off.

Trump is a fool if he thinks that the US can do without allies, even if they are "high maintenance", because the US would lose trade, lose ports and trade routes, lose intelligence gathering capability, military bases and they eventually may find themselves under attack when they least expect it.

Trump's policies on Europe and alliances in general are dangerous to the US imho.

 

[basilio]

Bas has it ever occurred to you that so many of the items that you have put up in this post would just as equally apply to the Biden administration?
The taking over of of radio and newspapers. Bills to limit misinformation and disinformation per H.R. 6971 , putting the lean on X and facebook to cancel those the administration did not agree with.
They rounded up political opponents. Well thats pretty much what they are doing to Trump and a number of other opposition figures, by not even letting them be on a ballot.
They took over the military. The US military has been nuetered by demanding the military reform into a diverse representation of society as distinct from being a mean nasty group of neanderthals who will win you a war.

Mick there is no universe in which the things that the Hitler Government did in 1933 have any similarity to the Biden government.

Hitler took over the newspapers and media. That is a universe away from legislation to limit misinformation and lies. It is a universe away from saying that people who spruik hate messages and terrorism should just be allowed to continue.

Hitler arrested10's of thousands of people. Threw them into Dacha. Beat them mercilessly. In what way is that comparable to Donald Trump facing legal charges for fraud, (found guility) defamation (found guilty) and actions around undermining the 2020 election results, holding Top Secret documents ? And regarding Trumps eligibility to be on the 2024 ballot ? That action was instigated by 2 leading Conservative lawyers. It had nothing to do with the Biden administartion

Hitler formed his own paramilitary forces. The Brown Shirts and then the SS. These were powerful paramilitary forces that attacked enemies of the state at the governments will. And what are you "comparing" it to ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Why are we talking about Hitler, again ?

 

[wayneL]

While being very careful about quoting a particular member that that has me on ignore, I am smiling to myself.

That is all.

 

[wayneL]

Did you study what Hitler did?
I said apart from the Jews and war stuff. The guy was a monster in that regard. But it's believed it emanated from losing WW1 and the deal struck between the Jews and the British. Which is widely believed to have been for Israel. Bet most people don't know that the Jews attempted to start a city in Australia as well but it was eventually shot down. Also in Africa.

The achievements from Hitler wasn't small.
A pioneer of animal cruelty laws and anti smoking laws.
Founding the Volkswagen.
Big part of the autobahn.
Changing the Olympics into the spectacle it is today.
A host of socialist programs to help the people.
Education was second to none
Their advanced engineering in many fields including rocketry is what got the US to the moon. It was nazis working in NASA.
Extensive railway networks.
He gave rights to paid vacation for workers.
Industrialised Germany to become as self sufficient as possibly.
He maintained taxes on smaller businesses and taxed bigger businesses more.
He banned human zoos (yep it was a thing).
His policies on insurance.
Environmental protection laws.


The list goes on. You could study each of the above topic to see how detailed they were.

But he was still the monster he was that killed off everyone in the war and just wanted a bunch of whites only. Probably should be noted that I heared he hated Christianity as well. Who knows who was next in the ovens
But that wasn't the point. The point was you don't seem to know history or are so blinded by biases that it's made you retarded.

Fact check: True!

The accountant for my father's business was a German and a member of the Hitler youth.

While absolutely disavowing the Aryan supremacy aspects of the regime, talked about the economic achievements.

At the time that was very confronting to me because of the holocaust/war and whatnot that I had been "educated" about (I was a very young man at the time).

But my investigations proved that it was so. None of that absolves of him of the monstrous stuff he was involved in, but on the economic front, is perhaps the greatest success story of the 20th century.

 

[sptrawler]

Well, we will probably never know.

Never a truer statement said, the biggest problem at the moment IMO is all this panic and trying to stop Trump even running, just makes people think the establishment is corrupt.
They would be far better off just letting him run and let the people decide, isn't that the basis of democratic process, it really doesn't bode well for us becoming a republic.
If Trump was our P.M, he would just be replaced on public opinion, simple, that's why our system works it has been around a long, long time.

 

[Knobby22]

Biden would lose the next election to anyone but Trump. So this is the Democrats best hope.

Many, myself included see Trump as a traitor for trying to overturn the election and making so much money by being President by various dubious means.

But he will lose the election for the Republicans should he get in as many Republicans don't like him. He has told us what he will do and though 50% of Republicans are happy for him to overturn the Constitution, there are many who do not.

So, if you want a Democrat win, hope Trump becomes the contender.

 

[SirRumpole]

But my investigations proved that it was so. None of that absolves of him of the monstrous stuff he was involved in, but on the economic front, is perhaps the greatest success story of the 20th century.

I agree. Leave out the war stuff and there is nothing to match him on the economic front.

Are we equating that aspect with Trump?

Germany was coming from a very low economic and morale point after WWI and anything different would be worth trying.

On the other hand, there is nothing particularly wrong with the US economy at the moment. Unemployment is 3.7%, inflation 3.2%.

It would be easier for the Dems to argue that they have done a good job than for Trump to argue that they have stuffed up. A good scare campaign by the Dems about the dangers of Trump could be enough to win the day come November. (IMHO).

 

[wayneL]

Biden would lose the next election to anyone but Trump. So this is the Democrats best hope.

Many, myself included see Trump as a traitor for trying to overturn the election and making so much money by being President by various dubious means.

But he will lose the election for the Republicans should he get in as many Republicans don't like him. He has told us what he will do and though 50% of Republicans are happy for him to overturn the Constitution, there are many who do not.

So, if you want a Democrat win, hope Trump becomes the contender.

Narrative <> fact.

We shall see which wins.

 

[wayneL]

I agree. Leave out the war stuff and there is nothing to match him on the economic front.

Are we equating that aspect with Trump?

Germany was coming from a very low economic and morale point after WWI and anything different would be worth trying.

On the other hand, there is nothing particularly wrong with the US economy at the moment. Unemployment is 3.7%, inflation 3.2%.

It would be easier for the Dems to argue that they have done a good job than for Trump to argue that they have stuffed up. A good scare campaign by the Dems about the dangers of Trump could be enough to win the day come November. (IMHO).

Well I think the whole process is toxic.

The dangers of Trump? What about the dangers of Biden or whoever is going to replace him at the election when the timing is right?

This is probably a discussion at which could carry on for hours around several pints or shots. At the end of the day the argument is subjective.

As I mentioned before I think Vivek is the most outstanding candidate but that isn't going to happen this time.

I do think this is the most important election in a century for many reasons, and I am too far as slow a typer to detail then here.

Happy to meet at the Baskerville Tavern however, the IIPA at 9% is a wicked brew and certain to lubricate the discussion

 

[orr]

They took over the military. The US military has been nuetered by demanding the military reform into a diverse representation of society as distinct from being a mean nasty group of neanderthals who will win you a war.

Mick

'They' .... It's always them; But just so I'm up to speed who are they?

I've been going over my copy of Sun Soo, and I'm have'n trouble finding the bit with the 'neanderthals'.... pg reference?
Ever heard of Bletchly Park Mulligan? You might want to drag ya knuckels over that sort of enquiry and then The US strategic bombing survey and link John.K.Galbraith .... funny how often we circle back to fighting the Nazi's in so much 'Trump cult' related.

Oh and Trawler; your quip as to, 'noth'n better from Biden'.... sorry mate you are wrong; the IRA, it's a seminal shift globally for the better.

 

[StockyGuy]

Look guys ya need to lay off the racial vilification of neanderthals, please. From memory I score between 2 and 3%.

 

[moXJO]

What?

Stalin killed more Russians than the WW2 did, that's before you get to Gulags and starving millions of Ukrainians to death etc I don't know or haven't heard anyone sane praise Stalin.

Mao killed even more.

You on the crack pipe?

BTW Trump is a dog by his own words nothing to do with the media.

you don't hear Stalinist being thrown around as a smear.
I'm not the one comparing cnts to Hitler either

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

On the plus side during the Ole Bronze Loon's tenure at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington, D.C., there were no wars nor conflict commenced by the USA.

There was also a significant peace effort by the Saudi and Israeli cousins under his son-in-law's watch with the opposition of the Palestinian cousins being over-ridden. This provided a successful launching point for further peace by people of goodwill, who are unfortunately thin on the ground in that place. It probably would have merited a Nobel Prize but for the opposition of the Pizza munchers at the gate of Oslo's Grand Hotel.

I could go on but I won't as I cannot think of anything else good that he did that merits the loss of any more time at the keypad.

gg

 

[sptrawler]

Oh and Trawler; your quip as to, 'noth'n better from Biden'.... sorry mate you are wrong; the IRA, it's a seminal shift globally for the better.

What are they still operating? I thought now they had aligned themselves with the E.U, it had actually ceased being a terrorist organisation.

 

[moXJO]

Biden would lose the next election to anyone but Trump. So this is the Democrats best hope.

Many, myself included see Trump as a traitor for trying to overturn the election and making so much money by being President by various dubious means.

But he will lose the election for the Republicans should he get in as many Republicans don't like him. He has told us what he will do and though 50% of Republicans are happy for him to overturn the Constitution, there are many who do not.

So, if you want a Democrat win, hope Trump becomes the contender.

He's the only one beating Biden according to the polls I think.

Personally I don't think he will win. He has too many organisations after him guilty or not.

 

[sptrawler]

The media are running a self fulfilling prophecy campaign, by constantly giving Trump coverage, maybe the penny has dropped?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/iowa-caucuses-us-president-election-2024/103300446
From the article:
The rusted-on Republicans all agree the US desperately needs a new president. But they don't agree on who would be the best candidate to take on Joe Biden in November's election.

And as proud Iowans, they take their oversized role in that decision seriously.
They're about to take part in the Iowa caucuses — a major event on the electoral calendar that gives this small farm state special influence, simply because its residents get to vote first.

The forecast in Des Moines, the snow-blanketed state capital, is for temperatures as low as -27c. Snow squalls forced candidates to cancel some final campaign events, and it's likely to be the coldest caucus night in history.

But this group of neighbours say nothing will stop them from showing up to vote.

 

[SirRumpole]

"I am actually going to caucus for Vivek," she tells us. Vivek Ramaswamy, the "millennial tech bro" candidate, has campaigned on Trump's MAGA policies, but has also argued to build a Canada border wall, shut down the FBI and wind back support for Ukraine.

'So many Trump haters': As a small state holds first big US vote, some Republicans are turning

This week's Iowa caucuses signal the start of the primary race for the 2024 US election. Donald Trump's the strongest polling Republican, but many caucus-goers say there are better options.

www.abc.net.au

Sound like a good idea Wayne?

Keep all the Canadians out of the US, very popular.

 

[wayneL]

"I am actually going to caucus for Vivek," she tells us. Vivek Ramaswamy, the "millennial tech bro" candidate, has campaigned on Trump's MAGA policies, but has also argued to build a Canada border wall, shut down the FBI and wind back support for Ukraine.

'So many Trump haters': As a small state holds first big US vote, some Republicans are turning

This week's Iowa caucuses signal the start of the primary race for the 2024 US election. Donald Trump's the strongest polling Republican, but many caucus-goers say there are better options.

www.abc.net.au

Sound like a good idea Wayne?

Keep all the Canadians out of the US, very popular.

Canada has two BIG problems. Rapidly encroaching totalitarianism, and a rapidly increasing population, and a haven of radical extremists.

The call has merit, but a bit early for general acceptance... and Pierre will probably kick Justin "Blackface" Castro's ridiculous communist @55 in the next election and "potentially" solve those problems.

Unless that happens, a wall is probably a great idea.

 

[wayneL]

And btw, there will still be the usual *legal channels for border crossings.