The ScoMo Government

[basilio]

Check our Dr Jennifer Wilsons Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/noplaceforsheep

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And in EVERY OTHER FIELD the proper process is for the alleged perp to stand aside while the investigation is undertaken! Particularly when it's an investigation into a crime as serious as rape. Standing aside does not presume guilt, it just allows for the possibility!

 

[sptrawler]

There is a new claim that a Labor MP sexually assaulted a female, it sounds as though Canberra has become the new Sodom and Gomorrah.

Labor MP accused of rape in new email

Victorian Liberal senator Sarah Henderson said a woman sent her the email on Sunday alleging the rape by a man who is now a Labor MP in federal Parliament.

www.smh.com.au

 

[SirRumpole]

There is a new claim that a Labor MP sexually assaulted a female, it sounds as though Canberra has become the new Sodom and Gomorrah.

Labor MP accused of rape in new email

Victorian Liberal senator Sarah Henderson said a woman sent her the email on Sunday alleging the rape by a man who is now a Labor MP in federal Parliament.

www.smh.com.au

Ah yes, but it's a high stress work environment and the boys need to let off steam don't they ?

 

[IFocus]

Bill Shorten was investigated by the police. Totally cleared. Of course that didn't stop Sarah Henderson throwing it up as if it was something new.

There are two possibilities in this situation.

1) The woman who suicided last year spent her entire life in a delusionary fantasy that she had been anally raped when she was sixteen by an ex. private school boy in 1988 or

2) The woman who suicided last year left a long and detailed history and corroborating evidence of an outrageous rape which effectively destroyed her life. That includes her diary from the time. This was a girl who was at the very top of her classes. She was was remembered as exceptionally smart, creative and kind. For the rest of her life she watched as the person who destroyed her glittering prospects become a leading political figure - in fact a very important Cabinet Minister.

It's worth realising that the supporters of the deceased come largely from Liberal supporters who knew her well.

If the allegation is against Porter...rumours of his reputation at UWA around women is well known.

Interesting presumption of innocence applies in law courts not the public court unless it appears that you hold a position in the government.

 

[basilio]

R.I.P. 24th June 2020

Katharine Thornton matriculated from St Peter’s Girls School in Adelaide as dux of humanities. She studied history at the University of Adelaide, graduating with a first class honours degree. Her research interests have encompassed the roles of women in Australian history, the French language, the cinema arts, and the consequences of war. St Peter’s College appointed Katharine its School Historian with the objective of researching and writing this book, a task she took up with considerable vigour and acute intelligence. She served as School Historian from 2001 to 2009.

 

[basilio]

If the allegation is against Porter...rumours of his reputation at UWA around women is well known.

Interesting presumption of innocence applies in law courts not the public court unless it appears that you hold a position in the government.

The ABC did a thorough investigation of Christian Porter as part of its 4 Corners program on Ministerial behaviour - in particular Mr Porter.
He didn't wash up too well.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by A-G Christian Porter

Questions have been raised about Federal Attorney-General Christian Porter’s attitude towards women, after a Four Corners investigation revealed a history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SirRumpole]

R.I.P. 24th June 2020

Katharine Thornton matriculated from St Peter’s Girls School in Adelaide as dux of humanities. She studied history at the University of Adelaide, graduating with a first class honours degree. Her research interests have encompassed the roles of women in Australian history, the French language, the cinema arts, and the consequences of war. St Peter’s College appointed Katharine its School Historian with the objective of researching and writing this book, a task she took up with considerable vigour and acute intelligence. She served as School Historian from 2001 to 2009.

I presume she was the victim.

How did you know ?

 

[basilio]

I presume she was the victim.

How did you know ?

Story published online by Shane Dowling.

The NSW police have announced they won't proceed with any further investigation into the issue. Frankly I don't think that is going to go down well with people who have seen and heard Katherines story.

Of course officially all the public has is an allegation of a violent sexual assault by one of its Cabinet members. I think the process that was followed when the High Court Judge was accused of sexual harrassment may be the best process.

Cabinet minister to make statement addressing historical rape allegation against him

The minister is expected to declare his innocence and is not planning on stepping down

www.theguardian.com

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www.mauriceblackburn.com.au

 

[moXJO]

Bill Shorten was investigated by the police. Totally cleared. Of course that didn't stop Sarah Henderson throwing it up as if it was something new.

"Totally cleared" and "lack of evidence" are two different things.
A lot of rapists are "Totally cleared"

 

[sptrawler]

Well, that's the problem with this case, the complainant is dead so it's unlikely the case will come to court.

The issue is whether Morrison is willing to have a possible rapist in his Cabinet.

If there is other evidence, like statutory declarations from people she told about the event, then there is a possibility that these will come out in public and then Morrison would have to act.

It could get very nasty for him.

I haven't read up on the story, but wouldn't it stand to reason if she told various people about it, she would have told the police about it?
Obviously she had no issue with discussing it, if as you say they can get statutory declarations from people she told.

 

[sptrawler]

If the allegation is against Porter...rumours of his reputation at UWA around women is well known.

Interesting presumption of innocence applies in law courts not the public court unless it appears that you hold a position in the government.

Wow Porter, that's interesting.

 

[The Triangle]

If you accuse me of rape, I'll come straight out and say it's BS and would be pretty angry about being accused. If you have nothing to hide - then don't hide!! What concerns me is that just about everyone knows who has been accused - and it was only a matter of time until he was forced to come out and make denials. He should have come out from day one.

Morrison and this generation of liberals has no credibility left. They have achieved nothing since dumping turnbull and abbott. We suffered 15 years of embarrassing prime ministers. Maybe Mcgowan will jump to federal politics and drain the Canberra rape swamp in 2022.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe Mcgowan will jump to federal politics and drain the Canberra rape swamp in 2022.

Surely you mean Clive Palmer don't you ?

 

[Smurf1976]

We suffered 15 years of embarrassing prime ministers.

Yep, both sides have given us "leaders" who seem unable to think more than a year or two into the future. "Cross that bridge when we come to it" might be the right approach in some circumstances but it's nowhere near adequate when it comes to running a country and both sides have been guilty.

That said, Turnbull did seem like an intelligent individual and I suspect the party in practice held him back.

A related problem is that the public service has seen a substantial purge of expertise over many years. There are exceptions as with anything but broadly speaking the PS culture and structure favours those with generic skills in management, administration and so on. Anyone who's a subject expert, in any field, is at best a square peg in a round hole and most don't stay too long unless their real reason for being there in the first place was wanting a career change. End result = the PS is no longer in a position to provide good advice in many areas.

Combine that lack of advice with politicians lacking in any real expertise themselves in many fields and it's no wonder we're in a bad situation.

 

[SirRumpole]

That said, Turnbull did seem like an intelligent individual and I suspect the party in practice held him back.

I think the party got rid of him for that exact reason.

Intellectual envy.

 

[The Triangle]

Why would intelligent people make for good prime ministers? Intelligence is not a measure of getting things done. Intelligent people are far too often preoccupied by the thought process of "why aren't they all as smart as me, why don't they all think like me, why can't they see what I see"

Always felt Turnbull was never interested in leading a diverse country of 25 million people. He only wanted to lead a country of 3-5 million liberal thinking university educated urban east coast elites. Unfortunately the PM also has to represent the poor meth addicts, the farmers, and the industry workers, the middle class and ultimately their party.

 

[sptrawler]

I think the party got rid of him for that exact reason.

Intellectual envy.

I find it hard to reconcile your adoration, when he was constantly bagged by all and sundry for changing the NBN model.

When he was professing the advantages of the fibre to the node, everyone was saying he was a muppet, now he is a genius who was misunderstood.???

How the rhetoric changes, when professing neutrality, becomes political advantage.

 

[IFocus]

I find it hard to reconcile your adoration, when he was constantly bagged by all and sundry for changing the NBN model.

When he was professing the advantages of the fibre to the node, everyone was saying he was a muppet, now he is a genius who was misunderstood.???

How the rhetoric changes, when professing neutrality, becomes political advantage.

SP Abbott wanted to totally abolish the NBN.

Turnbul to his credit he convinced Abbott he could do it far cheaper (fibre to the node) and basically rescued the NBN in a bastardised form.

Still its a cluster but at least it got the back bone and a fair bit of fibre in the ground.

 

[Smurf1976]

Why would intelligent people make for good prime ministers? Intelligence is not a measure of getting things done. Intelligent people are far too often preoccupied by the thought process of "why aren't they all as smart as me, why don't they all think like me, why can't they see what I see"

Someone somewhere in the process need to be intelligent otherwise ultimately we're stuffed.

Whether that's in the public service or within the parliament isn't so important - but if it's in the PS then we do have to accept that "faceless bureaucrats" end up wielding massive power in practice.

Historically that worked well enough, it certainly got a lot done rather quickly, but it does come with the risk of working too well and getting out of hand at times.

Same with anything really. A business owner can have a degree in a required field or they can employ someone who has a degree in that field. Ultimately though if you're doing medicine or engineering then someone had better be qualified otherwise you're in for a world of pain.

 

[sptrawler]

SP Abbott wanted to totally abolish the NBN.

Turnbul to his credit he convinced Abbott he could do it far cheaper (fibre to the node) and basically rescued the NBN in a bastardised form.

Still its a cluster but at least it got the back bone and a fair bit of fibre in the ground.

So it goes to prove, there are some good people on both sides of politics. ?

In a few years ScoMo will probably be revered, for the way he has turned the economy and saved Australia from covid 19, very much as McGowan is currently viewed in W.A.

As for the NBN, I am still of the opinion it should have been done by the telecommunication companies, not the taxpayer.
But hey who cares it is only the workers money after all.