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Wish to thank Fed Govt for turning down Virgin mendicants eight (8) times.
The ScoMo Government
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That's what happens in all political Parties when the incumbent wont step aside, I remember a horrible divorce when Bob Hawke was heave hoed by Paul Keating back in 1991, there was a lot of bad blood after that.
Also lets not forget poor old Kev and Julia, then Kev again, politics are never nice.
The trouble poor old Malcolm had, he was popular with the left wing media, not so popular with mainstream coalition voters he really would have been a better Labor leader than a Liberal leader IMO.
He may well have been a long term PM for the Labor Party, had they chosen to take him onboard, in the first place.
He was just a poor fit for a coalition leader, in the current demographics, don't forget Labor are getting a strong yuppie, inner city chardonnay set following.
Malcolm would fit like a hand in a glove at the moment, politics/demographics and people are always in a state of flux and at the moment the conservatives have a strong working class following, they seemed to think Malcolm is a silver spoon dick from what I heard.
Just my opinion.
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The party of Menzies was much more in the centre than the Libs of today which has lurched to the Right and now cuddles up to big business rather than the voters.
As for "silver spoons", Turnbull wasn't born with one in his mouth, he had to earn it, and people who aren't as successful as he is resent that.
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I certainly wouldn't call the recent coalition party right wing, I think Abbott was trying to push it that way, but everyone can make up their own minds on that.
Like I said the voting demographics are changing over recent years, I don't think there is a right wing Party ATM except possibly One Nation.
Labor have gone left/green and the coalition have gone central IMO, but that is only personal perception and I get it that other people think differently.
Also I didn't say Malcolm was born with a silver spoon, just the persona and it doesn't fit with people's current perception of the conservatives, as was proven in the U.K the working class are pretty definitive about what they want.
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Vaucluse Public School and then Sydney Grammar ..scarcely down at heel in a Sydney context our Malcolm.
An only child, whose mother left when he was 9, I think this had a big formative influence. He has that only child feeling about him
An only child, whose mother left when he was 9, I think this had a big formative influence. He has that only child feeling about him
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He certainly came across as a me, me, me and the excerpts from his book appear to confirm it IMO.
He certainly wasn't my cup of tea as a leader, waffled on and became that beige he turned into wallpaper, as boring as watching kids eat broccoli.
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From memory, hasn't Australia signed an agreement to access the U.S oil reserves, basically they are a holding facility for our reserves?
That is right SP which is an improvement on the past but I do think we need to have enough here to keep us running for at least 6 weeks while the USA ships it over.
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Turnbull's book actually brings something else into question IMO.
Turnbull indicates the time Abbott was P.M, his female head of staff Peta Credlin was running the Country.
Here is an excerpt from an interview with Malcolm:
https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20200403/pdf/44gp4gp7kytzgj.pdf
“Well, I mean, you were really dealing with Peta and Peta was running the country and that was obvious, and dominating Abbott,” the former prime minister told 7.30’s Leigh Sales.
“So it was as though she felt, ‘I've created you, you're my creation’, and she felt she owned him. It was a bizarre – a truly bizarre – relationship.”
If that is true, IMO it brings into question Julia Gillard's misogynist speach, saying Abbott is a male chauvinist pig.
Someone is definitely telling porkies.
Now that is what I call disgusting.
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Agree but massive bulk storage is always an issue, the U.S pump it into depleted oil fields.
We have had a rapid population growth and therefore oil usage increase, which would require increased reserves and therefore storage.
For us storage sites would be a very real problem and costly exercise.
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Turnbull's book actually brings something else into question IMO.
Turnbull indicates the time Abbott was P.M, his female head of staff Peta Credlin was running the Country.
Here is an excerpt from an interview with Malcolm:
https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20200403/pdf/44gp4gp7kytzgj.pdf
“Well, I mean, you were really dealing with Peta and Peta was running the country and that was obvious, and dominating Abbott,” the former prime minister told 7.30’s Leigh Sales.
“So it was as though she felt, ‘I've created you, you're my creation’, and she felt she owned him. It was a bizarre – a truly bizarre – relationship.”
If that is true, IMO it brings into question Julia Gillard's misogynist speach, saying Abbott is a male chauvinist pig.
Someone is definitely telling porkies.
Now that is what I call disgusting.
Tell it to some of Abbott's former colleagues.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03...redlin-at-the-heart-of-their-downfall/7222970
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I don't know about an affair, but I never got the impression he was in any way sexist, the opposite if anything Leigh Sales used to slap him up hill and down dale he never once was discourteous.
Now Julia, well I would love to have seen anyone talk her down, IMO there was more likely hood of her being a misandrist, than Tony being a misogynist.
It would be great if Tim wrote his memoirs.
I don't know about an affair, but I never got the impression he was in any way sexist, the opposite if anything Leigh Sales used to slap him up hill and down dale he never once was discourteous.
Now Julia, well I would love to have seen anyone talk her down, IMO there was more likely hood of her being a misandrist, than Tony being a misogynist.
It would be great if Tim wrote his memoirs.
I agree with you, I think his Mum could well have run the household when growing up, his wife never looked timid in his presence. She was confident and had her say if she wanted to.
His daughters clearly thought he was a good Dad, they are thoroughly modern women and I think it would have shown in their manner towards him if he was sexist towards women.
JGs speech in Parliament was just a speech in Parliament attacking the leader of the opposite party.
No real substance to it but all is fair in politics so good luck to her, since when has the argy bargy in P'ment needed to be true
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JGs speech in Parliament was to highlight hypocrisy by Abbott re: the sexist text messages by Peter Slipper. For some strange reason Abbott wanted the Gillard govt to take responsibility for Peter Slippers' behaviour when he was a Coalition member for many years.
At the end of the day, what came out of Abbott's mouth were his weasel words, not hers.
Peta Credlin wasn't chief of staff until well after that speech. I don't agree with Turnbull about Credlin "running" Abbott. At best she could be accused of pulling him along by his e-wang to fulfill her own political ambitions.Turnbull's book actually brings something else into question IMO.
Turnbull indicates the time Abbott was P.M, his female head of staff Peta Credlin was running the Country.
Here is an excerpt from an interview with Malcolm:
https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20200403/pdf/44gp4gp7kytzgj.pdf
“Well, I mean, you were really dealing with Peta and Peta was running the country and that was obvious, and dominating Abbott,” the former prime minister told 7.30’s Leigh Sales.
“So it was as though she felt, ‘I've created you, you're my creation’, and she felt she owned him. It was a bizarre – a truly bizarre – relationship.”
If that is true, IMO it brings into question Julia Gillard's misogynist speach, saying Abbott is a male chauvinist pig.
Someone is definitely telling porkies.
Now that is what I call disgusting.
At the end of the day, what came out of Abbott's mouth were his weasel words, not hers.
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Tony obviously new what was better for women than women did.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...omen-i-knew-we-had-some-way-to-go-on-equality
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...omen-i-knew-we-had-some-way-to-go-on-equality
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Obviously us guys on here are in touch with our feminine side. You wouldn't find a more courteous respectful bunch of guys anywhere.
You wouldn't find a more courteous respectful bunch of guys anywhere.
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JG"s speech in Parliament, was to grandstand and give her exposure, for life after politics IMO.
The only thing lacking was the leather gear and a whip.
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Ok... well here's everything about the speech and what was behind it, in front and both sides of it.
Punters can make up their own mind about the intent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_Speech#Background
Punters can make up their own mind about the intent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_Speech#Background
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Tony Abbott was given fair warning by the party. He wouldn't or couldn't listen.
Niki Savva's book provides some background: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/29415878-the-road-to-ruin : The Road to Ruin: How Tony Abbott and Peta Credlin Destroyed Their Own Government by Niki Savva
"..From early on, Abbott and Credlin ran a command-and-control operation, vetoing ministerial staff selections, strictly controlling parliamentarians' travel arrangements, interfering in government portfolios seemingly at whim and punishing their rivals and enemies...
...Credlin herself comes across in Savva's narrative like an insecure, hectoring bully, prone to unforgivable public excoriations of her staff and petulant tantrums that the prime minister would then have to hose down..."
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After reading that, I still think it was misdirected at Abbott, who by the finger pointing it was directed at.Ok... well here's everything about the speech and what was behind it, in front and both sides of it.
Punters can make up their own mind about the intent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_Speech#Background
But I do get your point.
Bullying and aggressive behaviour in Australian politics has been rife for a long time and IMO it does nothing but add to the lack of respect the public shows politicians.
When they start and show respect, they may call on others show respect in return, all sides of politics have adopted the poor behaviour so much so it has become the norm and is actually worn as a badge of honour these days.
Just my opinion
