The ScoMo Government

[sptrawler]

Labor followed treasury advice (Ken Henry) and avoided recession and it was far more than the cash handouts, this mob of clowns may well screw it up who knows, if they do mess it up franking credits will be the least of your problems

NAB listened to Ken Henry also.

Australia at the time was going through the biggest construction boom in history, we had more 457 workers than Australian workers, Kev just couldnt help himself.
He doesnt seem to have changed much either.
Anyway it was what it was, now we just have to see if Morrison can stuff it up as well.

 

[Humid]

The new bloke listens to God

 

[IFocus]

 

[qldfrog]

Yeah, lets make it just like Newcorpse.

funny thing is that news limited is seen as right by labour people here who obviously do not read watch it, While not just pure leftist and an absolute click bait crap, it is overall something which would be on the left of the US democrats at least during the Clinton Obama time:
open news.com.au today
an ugly picture of Trump a la abc..bashing him.....
**** **** for pages *** for s h i t or utter crap
one article Country makes public transport free ..you would expect on the abc
then **** **** **** from MAFS to british royals drama....
Climate Change: Climate change link to aussie bushfires
and more crap

This is current at time of typing headlines on the web;
If this is your right media propaganda, you really need to move to North Korea to find solace...but yes they actually maybe employ some people who are not far left..
The Australian might be the only non globalist news item in this country and I even doubt it.

 

[Humid]

NAB listened to Ken Henry also.

Australia at the time was going through the biggest construction boom in history, we had more 457 workers than Australian workers, Kev just couldnt help himself.
He doesnt seem to have changed much either.
Anyway it was what it was, now we just have to see if Morrison can stuff it up as well.

The only trouble with booms is not being prepared for them,you need to train people beforehand not import them crying you can't find suitable staff due to the fact no one bother to invest in them in the first place
I did my apprenticeship through a world class Tafe system that seemed to work but some people who probably never did a days work in their life thought they knew better

 

[sptrawler]

The only trouble with booms is not being prepared for them,you need to train people beforehand not import them crying you can't find suitable staff due to the fact no one bother to invest in them in the first place
I did my apprenticeship through a world class Tafe system that seemed to work but some people who probably never did a days work in their life thought they knew better

I dont disagree with that, competency standards were great for pay rises, but crap for tafe and quality training.

 

[Humid]

funny thing is that news limited is seen as right by labour people here who obviously do not read watch it, While not just pure leftist and an absolute click bait crap, it is overall something which would be on the left of the US democrats at least during the Clinton Obama time:
open news.com.au today
an ugly picture of Trump a la abc..bashing him.....
**** **** for pages *** for s h i t or utter crap
one article Country makes public transport free ..you would expect on the abc
then **** **** **** from MAFS to british royals drama....
Climate Change: Climate change link to aussie bushfires
and more crap

This is current at time of typing headlines on the web;
If this is your right media propaganda, you really need to move to North Korea to find solace...but yes they actually maybe employ some people who are not far left..
The Australian might be the only non globalist news item in this country and I even doubt it.

If the media infects enough people to normalise things like penalty rates are the reason businesses aren’t performing as well as they could you getting the head nodders agreeing isn’t a very left policy is it
This isn’t about news it’s about perception to land killer blows

 

[basilio]

Great story summarising the sports rorts affair and the need for a Federal ICAC.

Sports rorts changes everything. It's time for a federal Icac
Katharine Murphy
If we care about integrity in government, the Coalition must be held accountable for the grants saga

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...hanges-everything-its-time-for-a-federal-icac

 

[Tink]

 

[moXJO]

The only trouble with booms is not being prepared for them,you need to train people beforehand not import them crying you can't find suitable staff due to the fact no one bother to invest in them in the first place
I did my apprenticeship through a world class Tafe system that seemed to work but some people who probably never did a days work in their life thought they knew better

It's hard to learn anything in this country. I wouldn't have ever said we had a first class education system. Many other countries do it better with less. Gillard spent more and the nation became dumber. I don't support libs gutting out tafe either.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's hard to learn anything in this country. I wouldn't have ever said we had a first class education system. Many other countries do it better with less. Gillard spent more and the nation became dumber. I don't support libs gutting out tafe either.

TAFE was gutted because the Libs thought it was only for the "lower classes", ie Labor voters.

One of the problems in my view is the lowering of uni entry standards for teachers and teaching of STEM subjects by teachers not equipped to do it. STEM teachers should have a degree in Maths or Science, not an Arts degree, and there should be specialised STEM high schools so only students interested in those subjects will go to.

 

[moXJO]

TAFE was gutted because the Libs thought it was only for the "lower classes", ie Labor voters.

One of the problems in my view is the lowering of uni entry standards for teachers and teaching of STEM subjects by teachers not equipped to do it. STEM teachers should have a degree in Maths or Science, not an Arts degree, and there should be specialised STEM high schools so only students interested in those subjects will go to.

I went under labor and it was crap then. The apprenticeship model is flawed, but I think they dumbed it down now.

Unis are just Chinese degree factories. They must be hurting with the travel ban.

Public schools have teachers not interested in teaching. There are a whole bunch of younger teachers that are fantastic. I'd fire all the non performers just doing time and install fresh blood.

 

[Smurf1976]

there should be specialised STEM high schools so only students interested in those subjects will go to.

It has definite downsides, retention rate mainly given the need to go to a physically separate school for those two years, but I do see benefits in the approach historically taken in Tasmania in that regard.

There are no "compulsory" subjects in year 11 and 12, literally every subject is optional. It is thus entirely possible for someone to skew their education heavily in a particular direction with a view to specific studies at uni, TAFE or pursuing a particular career.

Going back quite some time but from memory my time in those two years was spent doing chemistry, physics, maths, drafting, automotive, metal fabrication, public speaking, electronics, various computer related things.

In hindsight yes I chose the right subjects. Some of what we did back then, in physics and in the metalwork shop, would almost certainly be deemed far too dangerous these days though. Not so much real danger but all the liability stuff that's around these days so I doubt it's still the same.

 

[Humid]

I went under labor and it was crap then. The apprenticeship model is flawed, but I think they dumbed it down now.

Unis are just Chinese degree factories. They must be hurting with the travel ban.

Public schools have teachers not interested in teaching. There are a whole bunch of younger teachers that are fantastic. I'd fire all the non performers just doing time and install fresh blood.

So your a crap tradesmen......deal with it

 

[moXJO]

So your a crap tradesmen......deal with it

And I don't come cheap.

 

[Logique]

The government could buy Japanese or French nuclear submarines off-the-shelf for ~$4 Billion each. No, says the Morrison Government, instead convert the French subs to diesel, for a kings ransom.

Noisy, dangerous museum pieces, if they are ever delivered. A death trap for the sailors.

And there goes $225 Billion dollars (whole of life). That would buy a lot of hospitals and schools. Truly obscene frittering away of the national wealth.

Submarines for Australia
(Founder: Gary Johnston - owner of Jaycar Electronics)
https://submarinesforaustralia.com.au/
..Australia’s Future Submarine (FSM) project is extravagantly expensive, highly risky and, in an era of heightened tensions in the Indo Pacific, could compromise the future defence of Australia...
..EXCESSIVE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS
The already excessive cost has blown out by 60% before even a preliminary design has been produced and at $80bn for design and construction and $225bn for total through life cost the submarines are outlandishly expensive.

 

[SirRumpole]

The government could buy Japanese or French nuclear submarines off-the-shelf for ~$4 Billion each. No, says the Morrison Government, instead convert the French subs to diesel, for a kings ransom.

Noisy, dangerous museum pieces, if they are ever delivered. A death trap for the sailors.

And there goes $225 Billion dollars (whole of life). That would buy a lot of hospitals and schools. Truly obscene frittering away of the national wealth.

Submarines for Australia
(Founder: Gary Johnston - owner of Jaycar Electronics)
https://submarinesforaustralia.com.au/
..Australia’s Future Submarine (FSM) project is extravagantly expensive, highly risky and, in an era of heightened tensions in the Indo Pacific, could compromise the future defence of Australia...
..EXCESSIVE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS
The already excessive cost has blown out by 60% before even a preliminary design has been produced and at $80bn for design and construction and $225bn for total through life cost the submarines are outlandishly expensive.

We should look at drone submarines (maybe nuclear powered). Cheaper and less dangerous. No oxygen required.

 

[SirRumpole]

I just noticed that the National Press Club will be discussing this very issue today.

12:30 ABC1.

 

[SirRumpole]

The government could buy Japanese or French nuclear submarines off-the-shelf for ~$4 Billion each. No, says the Morrison Government, instead convert the French subs to diesel, for a kings ransom.

Noisy, dangerous museum pieces, if they are ever delivered. A death trap for the sailors.

And there goes $225 Billion dollars (whole of life). That would buy a lot of hospitals and schools. Truly obscene frittering away of the national wealth.

Submarines for Australia
(Founder: Gary Johnston - owner of Jaycar Electronics)
https://submarinesforaustralia.com.au/
..Australia’s Future Submarine (FSM) project is extravagantly expensive, highly risky and, in an era of heightened tensions in the Indo Pacific, could compromise the future defence of Australia...
..EXCESSIVE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS
The already excessive cost has blown out by 60% before even a preliminary design has been produced and at $80bn for design and construction and $225bn for total through life cost the submarines are outlandishly expensive.

I cling to the hope that the published specs (diesel, no no air breathing propulsion, lead acid batteries) are just a front to confuse potential adversaries and when they finally come out they will have all the good stuff.

Would our military and government be so devious ? Let's hope so.

 

[macca]

The government could buy Japanese or French nuclear submarines off-the-shelf for ~$4 Billion each. No, says the Morrison Government, instead convert the French subs to diesel, for a kings ransom.

Noisy, dangerous museum pieces, if they are ever delivered. A death trap for the sailors.

And there goes $225 Billion dollars (whole of life). That would buy a lot of hospitals and schools. Truly obscene frittering away of the national wealth.

Submarines for Australia
(Founder: Gary Johnston - owner of Jaycar Electronics)
https://submarinesforaustralia.com.au/
..Australia’s Future Submarine (FSM) project is extravagantly expensive, highly risky and, in an era of heightened tensions in the Indo Pacific, could compromise the future defence of Australia...
..EXCESSIVE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS
The already excessive cost has blown out by 60% before even a preliminary design has been produced and at $80bn for design and construction and $225bn for total through life cost the submarines are outlandishly expensive.

I agree that it is a really, really, really stupid purchase but it was Mr Trumble who decided to buy some seats in SA not Scomo

The whole deal is beyond stupid, just shows how incompetent Turnbull was