The ScoMo Government

[sptrawler]

The new hydro scheme will help a lot, one thing Turnbull managed to achieve.

It's just that we are paying for all the change through taxes rather than setting up a market to let the private sector sort it out that slows us down so much.

Its like we have a socialist government.

Good night, always good to discuss stuff intelligently.

Now I do agree with that statement, private generators only want to build plant that pays money, so that is the major problem IMO.

For us to become completely run on renewables we need a massive amount of storage, I mean mind boggling the more is better storage, because when we have extended periods of no renewable or low renewable generation we will rely on storage. In reality the shortfall in renewable generation could last weeks, so storage has to make the shortfall up, every day.
Just like if the sun doesn't shine on the solar HWS, you either turn on the electric or have cold water.

The problem with storage it isn't worth as much as generation, because it costs money to fill it and you only get money for what you sell of it.
If the renewable generators are going well, the storage will be used less, but it costs probably more to install, than wind and solar generation. So the return on equity will be $hit in comparison, with installing generation.
With generation, if you wait untill it is really required, you can sell everything you produce.
That is where your socialist system works, the Government has to put in the storage, because private will put in enough generation to feed the load and fill the storage because they will be paid for it.

 

[Knobby22]

Humid

What's the difference between God and an electrician?

God doesn't think he is an electrician.;-)

 

[sptrawler]

I see electrical penis size arguments here
Fellas it’s 3 wires 4 years =
Electricial tradesman

As opposed to a 4lb hammer and a frontal labotomy fitter.
Or the mechanical theme song " hit me with your shovel mick, hit me ,hit me".
120Kg of meat with a spanner.
If a mechanical fitter can't fix it, he has run out of duct tape.
You can hear the fitter arriving, by the sounds of his knuckles dragging.lol
Jeez this takes me back to my apprenticeship, what a great forum.

 

[Humid]

As opposed to a 4lb hammer and a frontal labotomy fitter.
Or the mechanical theme song " hit me with your shovel mick, hit me ,hit me".
120Kg of meat with a spanner.
If a mechanical fitter can't fix it, he has run out of duct tape.

Pointy heads vs Propeller Heads

 

[basilio]

The Balance of the Liberal party in dealing with climate change

 

[qldfrog]

We are not comparing with the Chinese or Indians as they are still developing but we certainly cannot lecture them.



Obviously if we improve our energy mix we will improve our performance.

We can also improve our building standards, mandatory double glazed glass for instance.

Run an emission scheme rather than subsidising coal and let the market sort it out.

We are doing a few things but paying for it through our taxes, totally bonkers.

No answer.by green energy and let the market decides
Sleep well tonight
I know that in 2000, i was offsetting my car emissions, walking the talk until i found out how this co2 story makes no sense
I can not ask anyone to have the knowledge to know they are being scammed, need at lest 3y uni physics background but if you parrot a cause, be honest to apply your outrage to yourself

 

[qldfrog]

BTW no not retail or wholesale.
I am a consulting design engineer. .
Don't charge as much as a lawyer.

Design engineer can decide GUI or shape of iPod.
Does not need science background.you are excused, and have enough cash to buy green energy only, anyway, we are told it is cheaper than coal ...one daily
So fully zero emission no doubt....

 

[Knobby22]

Design engineer can decide GUI or shape of iPod.
Does not need science background.you are excused, and have enough cash to buy green energy only, anyway, we are told it is cheaper than coal ...one daily
So fully zero emission no doubt....

I think you are getting me mixed up with an industrial designer.

 

[Humid]

I think you are getting me mixed up with an industrial designer.

Lost in Translation

 

[Humid]

Engineer round Here =year 10 cert

 

[sptrawler]

Engineer round Here =year 10 cert

I have to agree with that, no matter how hard you try to break it down to basic principles, they still come back the next day with the same $hit.
I can't believe it, it is cult like, watch the screen repeat what is on the screen, rinse and repeat.
There is no way, until the baby boomers die that it will turn to $hit, then the rinse and repeat brigade come through and watch out.
Thank god I will be gone by then.

 

[IFocus]

This gives a time line to Morrisons response to the fires, pretty damming

Like I said before endless material.


The bushfires started in September, and by early November some 300 homes had been damaged or destroyed, the area burnt in New South Wales alone reaching 1 million hectares. Shane Fitzsimmons, the commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service, was warning it could be months before eastern Australia had the bushfires under control. Firefighters were already under stress. “There is no doubt they have flogged themselves silly,” Fitzsimmons said. “They are extremely drained but they are passionate and steadfast in their resolve to do the very best they can for their community.”

NSW was in a state of emergency and the fires in Queensland were also unprecedented. Australian Defence Force liaison officers were working with Emergency Management Australia, as Australia’s largest-ever peacetime deployment of the military was expected. A group of 22 former emergency services leaders led by former commissioner of NSW Fire and Rescue Greg Mullins, the Emergency Leaders for Climate Change, tried to meet with the prime minister (for the second time) to express their alarm at the scale of the threat, but were rebuffed. There was no movement at all from the Morrison government.

By early December, 2.7 million hectares had been burnt out; it was already one of the worst natural disasters in Australia’s history.

On December 10, amid growing panic at the complete lack of federal government response, Morrison, against the backdrop of the worst smoke in Sydney’s history, gave a press conference about… his government’s proposed religious discrimination bill. Responding to journalists’ questions about the fires, he rejected calls for more help for volunteer firefighters, who had been working for many weeks without pay, saying they “want to be there” helping their communities. As Morrison went to leave the building afterwards, the smoke set off a fire alarm, trapping him inside. The symbolism was ripe, but still Morrison refused to heed the signs. No federal government support was forthcoming. Natural disasters were, in his view, a matter for the states to handle.

On December 12, Morrison finally described the situation as a national disaster. Responding to growing criticism, he again sought to deflect blame and responsibility, assuring Australians that “the federal government is responding to all of the needs that have been presented to us by our state and territory authorities”, and again rejecting the calls to lend more support. A report by international think tanks had the day before named Australia as having the very worst climate policies among 57 surveyed, provoking the usual pat responses from the government. But criticism of the government’s negligence in both the fight against bushfires and climate change was becoming intense. Reporting on Morrison’s December 12 press conference, Peter Hartcher wrote in Nine Media that “the country is crying out for leadership. Instead it got excuses.”

“Having lost control of the discussion about bushfires and what to do about them,” wrote Laura Tingle on December 14, “there is little sign that Scott Morrison knows how to correct his language, or his apparent grasp of a response.”

On December 15, extreme temperatures were forecast, and over 100 fires burning across NSW were expected to worsen. And the prime minister went on holiday in Hawaii.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/nick-feik/2020/07/2020/1578372000/national-disaster

 

[chiff]

This gives a time line to Morrisons response to the fires, pretty damming

Like I said before endless material.


The bushfires started in September, and by early November some 300 homes had been damaged or destroyed, the area burnt in New South Wales alone reaching 1 million hectares. Shane Fitzsimmons, the commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service, was warning it could be months before eastern Australia had the bushfires under control. Firefighters were already under stress. “There is no doubt they have flogged themselves silly,” Fitzsimmons said. “They are extremely drained but they are passionate and steadfast in their resolve to do the very best they can for their community.”

NSW was in a state of emergency and the fires in Queensland were also unprecedented. Australian Defence Force liaison officers were working with Emergency Management Australia, as Australia’s largest-ever peacetime deployment of the military was expected. A group of 22 former emergency services leaders led by former commissioner of NSW Fire and Rescue Greg Mullins, the Emergency Leaders for Climate Change, tried to meet with the prime minister (for the second time) to express their alarm at the scale of the threat, but were rebuffed. There was no movement at all from the Morrison government.

By early December, 2.7 million hectares had been burnt out; it was already one of the worst natural disasters in Australia’s history.

On December 10, amid growing panic at the complete lack of federal government response, Morrison, against the backdrop of the worst smoke in Sydney’s history, gave a press conference about… his government’s proposed religious discrimination bill. Responding to journalists’ questions about the fires, he rejected calls for more help for volunteer firefighters, who had been working for many weeks without pay, saying they “want to be there” helping their communities. As Morrison went to leave the building afterwards, the smoke set off a fire alarm, trapping him inside. The symbolism was ripe, but still Morrison refused to heed the signs. No federal government support was forthcoming. Natural disasters were, in his view, a matter for the states to handle.

On December 12, Morrison finally described the situation as a national disaster. Responding to growing criticism, he again sought to deflect blame and responsibility, assuring Australians that “the federal government is responding to all of the needs that have been presented to us by our state and territory authorities”, and again rejecting the calls to lend more support. A report by international think tanks had the day before named Australia as having the very worst climate policies among 57 surveyed, provoking the usual pat responses from the government. But criticism of the government’s negligence in both the fight against bushfires and climate change was becoming intense. Reporting on Morrison’s December 12 press conference, Peter Hartcher wrote in Nine Media that “the country is crying out for leadership. Instead it got excuses.”

“Having lost control of the discussion about bushfires and what to do about them,” wrote Laura Tingle on December 14, “there is little sign that Scott Morrison knows how to correct his language, or his apparent grasp of a response.”

On December 15, extreme temperatures were forecast, and over 100 fires burning across NSW were expected to worsen. And the prime minister went on holiday in Hawaii.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/nick-feik/2020/07/2020/1578372000/national-disaster

Thoughts and prayers!

 

[chiff]

When Morrison invited the media to film him praying-that was always a worry.Abbott and Morrison are on the same page with this CC denial.Both believe in God-for which there is no evidence,but do not believe in human induced CC for which there is evidence.

 

[cynic]

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/this-betting-agency-blew-1-3m-on-labor-win-early-payouts



No evidence?!!!

 

[IFocus]

Captured – The Sequel: climate deniers a re-run of Big Tobacco


As the Prime Minister continues to deny the factual links between the climate, bushfire, and drought emergencies devastating the nation, there can be no doubt that the Australian state has been completely captured by fossil fuel and media billionaires.



https://www.michaelwest.com.au/clim...ionaires/?mc_cid=ae6bf89e83&mc_eid=7935c92ad0

 

[sptrawler]

And the Queensland Labour leader, was where? When in reality the bushfire control is a State function.

Like I said earlier, it will be more of an issue if he doesn't handle the post bushfire rebuild, than the fact he was on holidays prior.

Time will tell, but if the Labour Party is going to hang its next election campaign on that hook, best of luck.
Fortunately Albo isn't following suit and has actually said he understands the difficulty Morrison faced with regard the holiday.
All that is going to happen with all this thrashing around by the media is, it will make the public more tone deaf to their bleatings than they already are and the last election showed how fed up they are.
I certainly hope they actually come up with a stand on something, as currently they seem to be missing in action, while they re group.
Just my opinion.

 

[Humid]

And the Queensland Labour leader, was where? When in reality the bushfire control is a State function.

Like I said earlier, it will be more of an issue if he doesn't handle the post bushfire rebuild, than the fact he was on holidays prior.

Time will tell, but if the Labour Party is going to hang its next election campaign on that hook, best of luck.
Fortunately Albo isn't following suit and has actually said he understands the difficulty Morrison faced with regard the holiday.
All that is going to happen with all this thrashing around by the media is, it will make the public more tone deaf to their bleatings than they already are and the last election showed how fed up they are.
I certainly hope they actually come up with a stand on something, as currently they seem to be missing in action, while they re group.
Just my opinion.

You’ll vote Libs regardless

 

[sptrawler]

You’ll vote Libs regardless

Actually I wont, if Labour comes up with a sensible plan, I would definitely vote for them.
The problem was, the last plan was worse than leaving everything as it is, which isn't good.
You really shouldn't steriotype people, I will vote for who I think will maintain the working class living standard, because at the end of the day the working class fund the majority of Government spending.
What I wont do is vote for something, that I can see will actually erode the working class living standards, that I as a union member fought most of my working career for.
You can and will believe what you like, but I have middle aged working class kids and coming on 8 grandkids, so i actually do care.
What I don't care about, is what someone in Sydney and Melbourne wants to pay for a house, if they keep paying stupid prices so be it.
Don't screw over me, my kids and grandkids to sort it.

 

[Humid]

Well I hope your grandkids turn out real smart or otherwise you’ll be explaining why you continued to vote for a party that erodes work place conditions and promotes zero wage growth.
“Grandad what are penalty rates”
GO TO YOUR ROOM