The ScoMo Government

[sptrawler]

So SP do you think we should aim for no.1 polluter position in the world per person rather than being second best? I think we can do it. We are almost there already.
I hate being second.

I really don't understand what you mean, we are transitioning and I said I think we will be first to complete the transition. So reconciling that, with what you are saying I am finding difficult, especially when you have an electrical background.
I thought in #1154 I explained some of the issues reasonably, if you with an electrical background can't understand them, it probably explains why the layman is so easily confused.

 

[Knobby22]

As a country we produce more greenhouses gases for each person individually than almost anywhere in the world.

Also we are among the slowest to transition amongst the developed nations and actually joined forces with Brazil (the guy chopping down the rainforests) and Saudi Arabia (the Prince) to try to reduce our obligations at the most recent climate conference.

Britain under the Conservatives for comparison has become coal free for electricity generation over the last ten years.

 

[sptrawler]

Sp, you are a bit behind, only India and China matters, the rest of the world is peanuts: follow the 80/20 rules
What I found incredible in this debate is that everyone has the choice, today in Australia, anyone can be 0 emission:
green energy, EV, all electric house appliance, eat local produce and compensate by green credits your clothing and other side emissions
The hypocrites...

Why is it that the zealots always want the states, the others to handle their own responsibilities

Spot on Frog, even Bas hasn't bought an electric car yet, but wants everyone else to sort it out.

 

[sptrawler]

As a country we produce more greenhouses gases for each person individually than almost anywhere in the world.

As I said we are reducing and changing over the fastest also, like I said if you can't understand the issues, how can the layman expect to?
As Frog has said, have you done the best you can to mitigate your emmissions?
In reality, if everyone got rid of their t.v's and went back to a radio, went down to a small fridge and walked to the shop more often, then got rid of their air conditioners and went back to ceiling fans, a lot of coal fired generation could be shut down tomorrow.
Installed solar panels, and used public transport or a bicycle, more could be shut down. The reality is the electricity, is only supplying our demand.

 

[Knobby22]

Its true though.
We are amongst the slowest transition.
We are the second worst probably heading for worst over the next 3 years.
Don't believe me look it up.

It's shameful and you can expect other countries to look down on us for this.
We are not pulling our weight.

 

[sptrawler]

Britain under the Conservatives for comparison has become coal free for electricity generation over the last ten years.

Another bogus argument that doesn't compare apples with apples, if we can chuck in some nuclear we could be coal free in the very near future.

 

[sptrawler]

Its true though.
We are amongst the slowest transition.
We are the second worst probably heading for worst over the next 3 years.
Don't believe me look it up.

Well untill we can get some storage organised, we still require generation overnight, the U.K has the ability to import power from overseas, has heaps of gas, has nuclear and a very concentrated population.
So how can that in anyway, draw lines of comparison with the Australian grid?
You are electrical aren't you?
What is shame full is the fact we are one of the heaviest users per person, that is down to our affluence, but rather than tone down our usage we want someone to make it clean for us.
That is what makes Australia what it is today and you are right, we should be ashamed of our selfishness.

 

[Knobby22]

Here is the UK under the Conservatives.

Look at this link. 75% of their power came from coal in 1990.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...more-like-three-quarters-20200101-p53o71.html

 

[SirRumpole]

Here is the UK under the Conservatives.

Look at this link. 75% of their power came from coal in 1990.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...more-like-three-quarters-20200101-p53o71.html

38% from gas, still a fossil fuel.

 

[Knobby22]

Biomass burning also. That also counts in my view.
Only just over 50% renewables.
Still way better than us.

 

[sptrawler]

Here is the UK under the Conservatives.

Look at this link. 75% of their power came from coal in 1990.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...more-like-three-quarters-20200101-p53o71.html

FFS selective tripe by SMH, I thought you had an electrical background, if you are going to show something show something relevant. You know the SMH is going to try and push the buttons on as many muppets as possible.
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data-portal/electricity-generation-mix-quarter-and-fuel-source-gb
At best wind/solar 20%, biomass 7%
The rest GAS/NUCLEAR/IMPORT.
Why don't you research government when possible, rather than the rarra SMH

 

[sptrawler]

Biomass burning also. That also counts in my view.
Only just over 50% renewables.
Still way better than us.

What was that on a good day, with the wind behind it.
You obviously can read charts and understand spot data, otherwise you wouldn't be investing.
It's a bit like saying mincor had a core sample intersect that said 15% nickel and everyone jumps in, then it comes out it was over a 2mm section.
Does it really have to be this hard?
By the way the data I posted was correct as of Oct 2019, when was yours from?
Or should I say, what time of what day?

 

[qldfrog]

Its true though.
We are amongst the slowest transition.
We are the second worst probably heading for worst over the next 3 years.
Don't believe me look it up.

It's shameful and you can expect other countries to look down on us for this.
We are not pulling our weight.

So are you pulling YOUR weight
One of two things: either the country contribution does not count, it is the per person count
Or it is by country in which case, we do not count
Is the uncomfortable truth that YOU push out more co2 than an indian or a chinese
YOU being any of these so enlighted but so science ignorant that rant day by day here or on any FB page
They ave THE TRUTH..how dare they...
So specifically, do you consume non green energy, if so why?
You can pretend, i will not check
And why is it scomo s fault?

 

[Knobby22]

We are not comparing with the Chinese or Indians as they are still developing but we certainly cannot lecture them.



Obviously if we improve our energy mix we will improve our performance.

We can also improve our building standards, mandatory double glazed glass for instance.

Run an emission scheme rather than subsidising coal and let the market sort it out.

We are doing a few things but paying for it through our taxes, totally bonkers.

 

[sptrawler]

We are not comparing with the Chinese or Indians but we certainly cannot lecture them.

We are comparing our output with fully developed nations.

Obviously if we improve our energy mix we will improve our performance.

We can also improve our building standards, mandatory double glazed glass for instance.

Run an emission scheme rather than subsidising coal and let the market sort it out.

We are doing a few things but paying for it through our taxes, totally bonkers.

So now go go all feral on me, WTF post up some more rubbish and I will respond, otherwise trust me we are heading in the right direction, at the right speed.
We will become the first fully renewable Country to transition from fossil fuels IMO. Despite what the SMH says.
By the way, wipe your chin, that last post was dribble.

In relation to your last post, double glazing is only effective for convected heat, radiant heat goes straight through, so not much good in bright sunny areas.
We are subsidising coal because if we don't we will all be sitting in the dark, something has to produce electricity when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing.
If we weren't paying for what we are doing through our taxes, the cost of electricity would probably triple.

Obviously you worked in electrical wholesale, I would have said retail, but you knew about SF6.

 

[Knobby22]

I was replying to frog.

Let's hope we get there in the end.

The next climate meeting will be interesting. Now we have made world headlines through that fool of a backbencher.

Good night from me.

 

[Knobby22]

BTW no not retail or wholesale.
I am a consulting design engineer. .
Don't charge as much as a lawyer.

 

[sptrawler]

BTW no not retail or wholesale.
I am a consulting design engineer. .
Don't charge as much as a lawyer.

Really, an electrical engineer?

If you are an electrical engineer, you would have covered what we are discussing, and understand the VAR flow and reactive current flow problems in very long transmission systems.
Getting back to the UK story, I really don't see renewables making huge inroads in the near future, probably the 3 GW nuclear plant they are building might reduce the emissions more.
Actually just had a thought, we would be better off putting a trans Tasman link to NZ and building geothermal and hydro there.
Anyway good night, great discussion.

 

[Knobby22]

The new hydro scheme will help a lot, one thing Turnbull managed to achieve.

It's just that we are paying for all the change through taxes rather than setting up a market to let the private sector sort it out that slows us down so much.

Its like we have a socialist government.

Good night, always good to discuss stuff intelligently.

 

[Humid]

I see electrical penis size arguments here
Fellas it’s 3 wires 4 years =
Electricial tradesman