The ScoMo Government

[PZ99]

The ABC didn't actively take down Abbott - he hung himself with his performance.

Thanks God we have their ABC for unbiaised news

The funny thing is... most people think the ABC is unbiased

 

[sptrawler]

Afraid its not balance, most of the media report on the failings of the government and lets face it there is a never ending supply of material (Morrisons holiday what a disaster)plus Labor don't get a free ride ask Shorten, Rudd or Gillard but note they aren't in government not that you would know it according to Murdoch press.

Its actually quite rare I seen one of the big organisations really cook the truth.

Over at the Murdoch press cooking the truth is daily sport and you only hear how wonderful the Coalition are and how nasty those Laborites are that's not balance.

Well I'm surprised you read it everyday.
With regard Rudd and Gillard IMO, they were frustrated actors, who could only get on stage through politics Turnbull IMO falls into the same catergory. Shorten I feel a bit sorry for I think he meant well but had too many people in his ear.
With regard Morrison and the holiday, well I have been married for 43 years and have four kids.
With Morrison having two kids in high school and the year they have had, I guess he was under a bit of family pressure. If he new the fires were going to get out of control as they did, he may have done it differently, $hit happens.
He has worn it, times move on, in the scheme of things it wont be what defines his term in office IMO.
It will be more important how he deals with the aftermath, rather than not being here in the begining, the only ones who are taking notice of the later are the press and those that follow the press.

 

[sptrawler]

The ABC didn't actively take down Abbott - he hung himself with his performance.



The funny thing is... most people think the ABC is unbiased

I never mentioned the ABC, you have, funny that.
I was thinking more the SMH and AGE, I don't watch current affairs or news.
Only what I can get for free on the internet, I wouldn't pay for any of the rubbish, reporting in Australia is reflective of our education system appalling. IMO

 

[PZ99]

I never mentioned the ABC, you have, funny that.

I never said you did.

 

[chiff]

Well I'm surprised you read it everyday.
With regard Rudd and Gillard IMO, they were frustrated actors, who could only get on stage through politics. Shorten I feel a bit sorry for I think he meant well but had too many people in his ear.
With regard Morrison and the holiday, well I have been married for 43 years and have four kids.
With Morrison having two kids in high school and the year they have had, I guess he was under a bit of family pressure. If he new the fires were going to get out of control as they did, he may have done it differently, $hit happens.
He has worn it, times move on, in the scheme of things it wont be what defines his term in office IMO.

My wife goes on holidays without me ,at my insistence.She has been to Bali three times I think,Fiji,Penang,Gold Coast and Newcastle.All with members of our family.I stay home to look after our blind dog (born blind).Morrison did not get his priorities in the right place.I have been married for 50 years.Morrison also did it in secret.That he complained about Nixon having a lunch whilst there were fires in Victoria puts him right in the firing line for criticism.The fires were large enough at the time to have priority.

 

[sptrawler]

My wife goes on holidays without me ,at my insistence.She has been to Bali three times I think,Fiji,Penang,Gold Coast and Newcastle.All with members of our family.I stay home to look after our blind dog (born blind).Morrison did not get his priorities in the right place.I have been married for 50 years.Morrison also did it in secret.That he complained about Nixon having a lunch whilst there were fires in Victoria puts him right in the firing line for criticism.The fires were large enough at the time to have priority.

Everyone's different and with hindsight would no doubt sometimes do things differently and everyone has the right to chose how they view an incident, that's the good thing about opinions we all have different ones.

 

[qldfrog]

My wife goes on holidays without me ,at my insistence.She has been to Bali three times I think,Fiji,Penang,Gold Coast and Newcastle.All with members of our family.I stay home to look after our blind dog (born blind).Morrison did not get his priorities in the right place.I have been married for 50 years.Morrison also did it in secret.That he complained about Nixon having a lunch whilst there were fires in Victoria puts him right in the firing line for criticism.The fires were large enough at the time to have priority.

So our Qld Premier will deserve the same treatment?

 

[sptrawler]

My wife goes on holidays without me ,at my insistence.She has been to Bali three times I think,Fiji,Penang,Gold Coast and Newcastle.All with members of our family..

I can sympathise, I'm currently sitting here babysitting two primary school kids, a deaf dog, a dog for the deaf(service dog) and a ancient cat, while my daughter is on holiday in Bali with her deaf friends. The only problem I have is, the wife didn't go with her lucky there is no text to speech on this computer.

 

[IFocus]

Talking of material these guys are having a ball

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/0...ra-tv-commercials-to-help-fight-new-blazes-/

 

[IFocus]

 

[IFocus]

 

[sptrawler]

For a more balanced view, than those running an agenda.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...s-climate-change-linked-to-bushfires/11846604

It obviously is caused by several things, one of which is climate change, but to constantly say climate change is the only cause, is just as bad as those saying it has no effect.
It is just one lunatic against another, that is the problem with having extreme beliefs and or agendas.IMO
The press just take the side that is easiest to sell.

 

[IFocus]

For a more balanced view, than those running an agenda.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...s-climate-change-linked-to-bushfires/11846604

It obviously is caused by several things, one of which is climate change, but to constantly say climate change is the only cause, is just as bad as those saying it has no effect.
It is just one lunatic against another, that is the problem with having extreme beliefs and or agendas.IMO

My issue isn't if the current fires are a direct result of climate change (certainly playing a part) but more that this is the future on a good day.

The thought that my kids / grand kids will face extremes far beyond what we are seeing now is terrifying.

Almost certainly Australians will become climate refugees some time in the future.

This is what we are handing on after how many decades of warnings?

I honestly don't think meaningful action will be taken in time big money and its foot solders will ensure that to be the case.

 

[sptrawler]

My issue isn't if the current fires are a direct result of climate change (certainly playing a part) but more that this is the future on a good day.

The thought that my kids / grand kids will face extremes far beyond what we are seeing now is terrifying.

Almost certainly Australians will become climate refugees some time in the future.

This is what we are handing on after how many decades of warnings?

I honestly don't think meaningful action will be taken in time big money and its foot solders will ensure that to be the case.

Even if we shut Australia down tomorrow completely, it would change nothing, we are changing over to renewables as fast as the grid can cope with.
Unless there is a global shift especially with the U.S, China and Europe, nothing will change.

I really think we are well on the way to becoming the World leader, in transitioning from fossil fuel generation to renewables, but we wont be able to do it if we wreck our power network and lose reliability and stability.
As I posted up earlier in the power system thread, it looked as though molten salt storage was going to be the answer, but the best performing one Crescent Dune has gone belly up.
We were well down the track of installing one in S.A, fortunately it didn't go ahead, as the technology has been found wanting and very expensive generation wise.
To further highlight the problem, a white paper the left were pushing early last as the roadmap to renewables, had molten salt storage as the backbone of the grid, I guess that roadmap will be in the bottom draw now.

So for the media to just keep feeding the chooks, so they can rant on endlessly, will in the end make the public tone deaf to the reality.

It really is a shame that it has been made such a political issue, because there would be much more progress made if all the energy was spent in discussing what realistically can be done in a sensible timeframe, then everyone would know what really can be done and ensure the timeframes are met.
Currently all we have is one side saying just do it and do it now, and the other side saying it will take time, it is about time the media actually addressed the reality rather than whipping up emotions.
Just my opinion.

 

[Knobby22]

So SP do you think we should aim for no.1 polluter position in the world per person rather than being second best? I think we can do it. We are almost there already.
I hate being second.

 

[ghotib]

My issue isn't if the current fires are a direct result of climate change (certainly playing a part) but more that this is the future on a good day.
...
This is what we are handing on after how many decades of warnings?...

Takes a galah to say what I'm thinking Thanks Bird.

 

[basilio]

My issue isn't if the current fires are a direct result of climate change (certainly playing a part) but more that this is the future on a good day.

The thought that my kids / grand kids will face extremes far beyond what we are seeing now is terrifying.

Almost certainly Australians will become climate refugees some time in the future.

This is what we are handing on after how many decades of warnings?

I honestly don't think meaningful action will be taken in time big money and its foot solders will ensure that to be the case.

Neatly, sadly summed up.
To be a bit more pointed we don't have to wait for our our kids and grandkids to see the extremes of CC.
Ten-twenty years will be plenty of time to see accelerating change

 

[Smurf1976]

Thanks for the spelling "Gladys Berejiklian" I hope her health is OK some of the footage she looks quite unwell.

I don't know what she looked like before the fire crisis, I don't pay attention to NSW politics normally, but at a guess she's probably completely exhausted both mentally and physically by the whole fire situation as will be many.

 

[qldfrog]

Even if we shut Australia down tomorrow completely, it would change nothing, we are changing over to renewables as fast as the grid can cope with.
Unless there is a global shift especially with the U.S, China and Europe, nothing will change.

I really think we are well on the way to becoming the World leader, in transitioning from fossil fuel generation to renewable, but we wont be able to do it if we wreck our power network and lose reliability and stability.
As I posted up earlier in the power system thread, it looked as though molten salt storage was going to be the answer, but the best performing one Crescent Dune has gone belly up.
We were well down the track of installing one in S.A, fortunately it didn't go ahead, as the technology has been found wanting and very expensive generation wise.
To further highlight the problem, a white paper the left were pushing early last as the roadmap to renewables, had molten salt storage as the backbone of the grid, I guess that roadmap will be in the bottom draw now.

So for the media to just keep feeding the chooks, so they can rant on endlessly, will in the end make the public tone deaf to the reality.

It really is a shame that it has been made such a political issue, because there would be much more progress made if all the energy was spent in discussing what realistically can be done in a sensible timeframe, then everyone would know what really can be done and ensure the timeframes are met.
Currently all we have is one side saying just do it and do it now, and the other side saying it will take time, it is about time the media actually addressed the reality rather than whipping up emotions.
Just my opinion.

Sp, you are a bit behind, only India and China matters, the rest of the world is peanuts: follow the 80/20 rules
What I found incredible in this debate is that everyone has the choice, today in Australia, anyone can be 0 emission:
green energy, EV, all electric house appliance, eat local produce and compensate by green credits your clothing and other side emissions
The hypocrites...

Why is it that the zealots always want the states, the others to handle their own responsibilities
is it not that they perfectly know that no one wants to hear their speech or do the sacrifices;
all these Greta fans driving V6 landcruisers and range rovers
So personal question:
@Knobby22 : are you zero emission?, you your family? and if not why not?
Why can you not do it under a scomo government?

And @Knobby22, it is not just you:
the basilio and red army member of the world should be able to answer that question and if it is not yet, just shut up until their dictatorship takes over
My household probably emit less than them since i stopped commuting monthly to China

And if you are not because it will not change the Australian contribution a iota (true), why would Australia as a whole need to be neutral
as we all know unless you are reading the Guardian or have an IQ of 80 that it will not change a thing overall
All that assuming that CO2 emissions are the main CC contributor which I think is BS, but I am ok to be wrong and work on the premises (as it is good for the planet overall unless we replace CO2 with nuclear)
We are still in a globally capitalist world and if there is a demand , there is provision
The choice is yours

 

[Smurf1976]

What I found incredible in this debate is that everyone has the choice, today in Australia, anyone can be 0 emission

I see this a lot especially online.

Plenty of people will rant about climate change. Then on the same forum once someone says something about heat pump water heaters or fuel efficient cars the predictable excuses start flowing:

*Doesn't work if it's below -20'C for more than 19 hours per day.

*ROI isn't high enough.

*The ROI is high but look it's only $1500 a year and not worth worrying about. Get the more polluting one instead.

And so on. Basically every excuse under the sun to avoid doing something even when it would save money or have other benefits. Sad but true.