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As you do in a Scummo thread....nice deflection
Own your poor decisions lol
Well a debate does have to have two sides, and as for the value of the decision, we will find out in a couple of years.
Currently Im one nill, hopefully you even the score, next time
 
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After 6 odd years it’s about time to take some responsibility for your choice but hey if it makes you feel good just keep bangin on about Labor it’s quite humorous
 
After 6 odd years it’s about time to take some responsibility for your choice but hey if it makes you feel good just keep bangin on about Labor it’s quite humorous
Actually I haven't been banging on about Labour, they haven't really been seen since the election, but I do agree the Libs really haven't lit anyones light up yet either.
Other than the tax cuts, there really hasn't been anything of note, I think they will have to pick up their game if they are going to get a fourth term.
Maybe they are holding fire, rather than trying to have a major news announcement every week, which has been the style of Governments for the last ten years.
Time will tell I guess.
As for taking responsibility for my choices, I've never had a problem with that and I wont in the future.
 
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Why Labour have lost so much of their support base and how a two term, three leader, inept Government beat them to get a third term.:confused:
I think the problem there is that the average Australian is fed up with being taken for a fool.

They've heard a few times too many the promises from some lobby group, politician or professor someone or other that if we do x then it'll only cost the average household $1 a month or whatever. They've seen it too many times now - we go along with it, we do whatever the grand idea is and the end result is their power bill doubles or they see ambulances ramped outside hospitals or they see workers put out of a job etc in stark contrast to what was promised.

Which brings us to a point where the ordinary person, those not in politics or "elite" occupations or of high wealth, have simply lost confidence in pretty much every institution.

Anything connected with finance, politics or the church is bottom of the pile these days so far as trust is concerned. Gone, shot to pieces, kaput.

The justice system, public utilities and so on are tarnished at best, the former through too may stories about criminals getting away with it and the latter since they largely no longer exist. Education at all levels is similarly tarnished with standards seemingly in decline at all levels from kindergarten to university. Likewise the mainstream media is another institution whose standing has taken a battering.

What's still held in high regard and always has been? Front line health workers, fire and other emergency services personnel and the one that came up in in a recent offline discussion - Australia Post. Yep, the good ole post office is one of the few things that's been around forever and at the end of 2019 is still there, doing what it has always done, with its reputation intact apart from the odd relatively minor glitch here and there.

Then there's those in no man's land and in that group is pretty much the entire workforce that's not in any of the tarnished industries. They've risen in standing in relative terms since whilst your average garbage truck driver or architect may not know a great deal about fiscal policy, they do at least get the bins emptied and the plans drawn up reliably. Same with every other worker doing something practical either physically or in an office - there's something to be said for those who at least deliver on what they've promised to do regardless of what that actually is.

As for the Coalition versus Labor, well if the perception is that either side is only going to do more bad things then rationally you'd pick whoever seems laziest and least likely to do anything at all. There's Labor's problem - as an opposition they need to promise change from the status quo but the public simply doesn't trust that change, from anyone, is going to be better than the past decade's worth of "change" which has generally been to make things worse not better regardless of which party was in power at the time.:2twocents
 
I think the problem there is that the average Australian is fed up with being taken for a fool.

They've heard a few times too many the promises from some lobby group, politician or professor someone or other that if we do x then it'll only cost the average household $1 a month or whatever. They've seen it too many times now - we go along with it, we do whatever the grand idea is and the end result is their power bill doubles or they see ambulances ramped outside hospitals or they see workers put out of a job etc in stark contrast to what was promised.

Which brings us to a point where the ordinary person, those not in politics or "elite" occupations or of high wealth, have simply lost confidence in pretty much every institution.

Anything connected with finance, politics or the church is bottom of the pile these days so far as trust is concerned. Gone, shot to pieces, kaput.

The justice system, public utilities and so on are tarnished at best, the former through too may stories about criminals getting away with it and the latter since they largely no longer exist. Education at all levels is similarly tarnished with standards seemingly in decline at all levels from kindergarten to university. Likewise the mainstream media is another institution whose standing has taken a battering.

What's still held in high regard and always has been? Front line health workers, fire and other emergency services personnel and the one that came up in in a recent offline discussion - Australia Post. Yep, the good ole post office is one of the few things that's been around forever and at the end of 2019 is still there, doing what it has always done, with its reputation intact apart from the odd relatively minor glitch here and there.

Then there's those in no man's land and in that group is pretty much the entire workforce that's not in any of the tarnished industries. They've risen in standing in relative terms since whilst your average garbage truck driver or architect may not know a great deal about fiscal policy, they do at least get the bins emptied and the plans drawn up reliably. Same with every other worker doing something practical either physically or in an office - there's something to be said for those who at least deliver on what they've promised to do regardless of what that actually is.

As for the Coalition versus Labor, well if the perception is that either side is only going to do more bad things then rationally you'd pick whoever seems laziest and least likely to do anything at all. There's Labor's problem - as an opposition they need to promise change from the status quo but the public simply doesn't trust that change, from anyone, is going to be better than the past decade's worth of "change" which has generally been to make things worse not better regardless of which party was in power at the time.:2twocents
I vote for the Centre Alliance.
 
I vote for the Centre Alliance.
It is getting to the point, that anything is better than what is being served up by the Libs and Labour, if ever there was a need for a party with vision, now is that time.
As the recent comments on here show, Australia is so polarised at either end of the spectrum, that nothing can move forward.
If the media reporters and presenters don't agree with the issue, the debate just becomes a cesspit of disagreement, until it reaches a point where it can't move forward.
Obviously politics is going to become a short burst of change post an election, when the media have a break to regroup, because they have got it wrong again.
Once they have regrouped it all starts again, Government by media, the current political paradigm.
Just my opinion
 
I think the problem there is that the average Australian is fed up with being taken for a fool.

They've heard a few times too many the promises from some lobby group, politician or professor someone or other that if we do x then it'll only cost the average household $1 a month or whatever. They've seen it too many times now - we go along with it, we do whatever the grand idea is and the end result is their power bill doubles or they see ambulances ramped outside hospitals or they see workers put out of a job etc in stark contrast to what was promised.

Which brings us to a point where the ordinary person, those not in politics or "elite" occupations or of high wealth, have simply lost confidence in pretty much every institution.

Anything connected with finance, politics or the church is bottom of the pile these days so far as trust is concerned. Gone, shot to pieces, kaput.

The justice system, public utilities and so on are tarnished at best, the former through too may stories about criminals getting away with it and the latter since they largely no longer exist. Education at all levels is similarly tarnished with standards seemingly in decline at all levels from kindergarten to university. Likewise the mainstream media is another institution whose standing has taken a battering.

What's still held in high regard and always has been? Front line health workers, fire and other emergency services personnel and the one that came up in in a recent offline discussion - Australia Post. Yep, the good ole post office is one of the few things that's been around forever and at the end of 2019 is still there, doing what it has always done, with its reputation intact apart from the odd relatively minor glitch here and there.

Then there's those in no man's land and in that group is pretty much the entire workforce that's not in any of the tarnished industries. They've risen in standing in relative terms since whilst your average garbage truck driver or architect may not know a great deal about fiscal policy, they do at least get the bins emptied and the plans drawn up reliably. Same with every other worker doing something practical either physically or in an office - there's something to be said for those who at least deliver on what they've promised to do regardless of what that actually is.

As for the Coalition versus Labor, well if the perception is that either side is only going to do more bad things then rationally you'd pick whoever seems laziest and least likely to do anything at all. There's Labor's problem - as an opposition they need to promise change from the status quo but the public simply doesn't trust that change, from anyone, is going to be better than the past decade's worth of "change" which has generally been to make things worse not better regardless of which party was in power at the time.:2twocents

You just need a good salesman but can’t think of any from either side.
As bad as as Labor’s policies may have been I think at least they were trying to generate some new revenue.
The current mob are hell bent on a surplus and wondering why households are as well!
 
You just need a good salesman but can’t think of any from either side.
As bad as as Labor’s policies may have been I think at least they were trying to generate some new revenue.
The current mob are hell bent on a surplus and wondering why households are as well!
Thats very true, the only issue is how to generate more income fairly and that is what both sides are missing the point on.
 
If our aim is to generate more government income, this is wrong
We should aim to increase the economy/country income, and ensure both government and the actors get a fair share.
Otherwise it is perpetuating the slow death by taxation that Australian centric posters seems so unaware of, while being in a World economy .
You can not afford to be uncompetitive in an economy with no trade or people barriers
And this: increasing added value and competitive Australian companies with innovation should be our key election debate, not how to tax whatever remnant of wealth we have
Anyway, Turnbull tried and i remember the comments....
 
We should aim to increase the economy/country income, and ensure both government and the actors get a fair share.
That we have a decline in public hospitals for example is ultimately tied to the loss of wealth creating industry.

Unfortunately few seem able to see that. :2twocents
 
Why Labour have lost so much of their support base and how a two term, three leader, inept Government beat them to get a third term.:confused:

Not specifically a Labor one but an example of the problem is the recent calls to cancel fireworks on New Year's Eve.

What that amounts to is simply another case of those in the inner city engaging in virtue signalling and leaving everyone else with the cost. It's not fire victims or the RFS calling for it but those living in the inner most suburbs.

To cancel would be a complete waste for those who've traveled to Sydney from overseas, or to other capital cities from country areas and so on. A waste of their time and money all so that a few can feel good about themselves.

Ordinary people have a different attitude to life, more "show must go on" and not about "might offend someone" and quite frankly have had enough of this sort of thing. For heaven's sake let the damn crackers off and stop messing about.

Politically, Labor is at least perceived (wrongly or rightly) as more associated with this inner city sort of thinking than the Coalition is. They'll likely remain in opposition until they give that the flick, put a stop to the virtue signalling and get back to siding with the common man (and woman) who's more focused on practical reality than on how someone might "feel" about something that someone somewhere things is inappropriate.

Whilst the example I've used is a local government one, it sums up the thought divide between those in the inner city and the rest pretty well I think. The rest are more worried about practical reality not whether a tiny minority doesn't like something. :2twocents
 
That sums it up pretty well smurf, we seem to lost the ability to say $hit happens and just get on with it.
Now everyone has to be your friend, no one can say look this is the way it is, for fear of being shouted down.
I actually wondered when Morrison was canned for the holiday, if it was a case of him being caught between someone saying it has been a hell of a year the kids and I need a break when school holidays arrive and him thinking this could go pear shaped.:rolleyes:
I know there has been times in my life, whe she who must be obeyed has drawn a line in the sand.
But that comes with the job, when you take public office, he has to take the bad with the good.:2twocents
 
Like free health care......maybe you don’t get it
Not enamoured with the US but..
What free healthcare?
4k a year mandatory insurance plus medicare and then be reimbursed of 145$ out of 2.5k dental treatment last week and that is before the crown?
mandatory ambulance subscription paid via energex bill or my out of pocket 3k after insurance cover (gold,top of range) for a serious hand cut? Sure...
I dont get it
Compare this to 100k a year tax between one man company and own taxes for the last 20 y or so, not counting gst regos stamp duties etc
Rate in the 40pc for what would be considered modest income everywhere else
And need to commute to China for last 2y for my startup and leaving them 10 world patents as Australia is just interested in real estate and mining?
It is hard to swallow, indeed, maybe you don't get it?
But in 2019, Australia is a land for losers and retirees.
Not one when you can start and grow a business
And it hurts me as much as it should hurt you

I should have more xmas spirit...
And let's have a break, as much as you believe i don't get it, i am convinced you have no clue of the world we live now and are fixed on 40y old tell tales of a world bygone
And scomo or bowen or whoever will not change that as the population is so far off
 
There’s daily flights to France chief
I see nothing above but personal choices be it business or pleasure
Private health is optional I use as a tax break nothing more.
I fly to Asia for dental and use it as a holiday still cheaper
Losers you say.....get a job in iron ore it’s booming
 
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