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Smurf1976 said:
Labor seems to have forgotten about the reason for the party's existence yes.
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I think we are now in for a period of industrial disruption not seen since the 1980's.

Sally McManus is an old style union activist and I don't think she is going to lie down and let wages stagnate further.

I think the union movement is going to be the government's biggest problem rather than the Labor Party for the duration of their term.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think we are now in for a period of industrial disruption not seen since the 1980's.

Sally McManus is an old style union activist and I don't think she is going to lie down and let wages stagnate further.

I think the union movement is going to be the government's biggest problem rather than the Labor Party for the duration of their term.
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Further reducing our competitiveness. Cost of living and housing is the corollaric(sic) and more correct angle of attack imo.
 
Smurf1976 said:
The "go and vote for someone else" comment cost them the election in my view. It would have been incredibly arrogant if the government had said that, unbelievably so coming from the opposition.
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Yes it's going to be difficult for Bowen to live that one down, even though in most other ways he seems to be a hard worker.

It will be interesting to see if they stick with this policy (and negative gearing) and "explain" them more or ditch them altogether. In principle I don't think it's a bad idea as long as it doesn't hurt those on low incomes.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think the union movement is going to be the government's biggest problem rather than the Labor Party for the duration of their term.
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I suspect you're right.

If I were ScoMo then I'd head it off right from the start and invite the ACTU to a meeting and gain a thorough understanding of their perspective and aim to establish a working relationship between government and the unions. That doesn't mean the Liberals become Labor, you don't have to agree on everything to have a working relationship, but doing so beats having a war.

Yes I understand that's a bit like getting atheists and the church to agree or mixing oil and water but what's to lose from trying?

Hawke did something similar getting business on side with Labor.

Former Tasmanian premier Jim Bacon (Labor) did much the same in 1998 getting business on side (to the point that the business lobby was publicly urging people to vote Labor, a somewhat remarkable situation in itself).

So whilst it might seem to be stretching it, the idea of the Liberals establishing a workable relationship with the unions doesn't seem totally out of the question to me and if it were up to me then I'd give it a shot. Worst case = nothing lost really, it's not as though they can really go backwards on the issue. :2twocents
 
unions are irrelevant these days. The CFMEU can rally all they like in the CBD's, they represent probably 1 in 5 construction workers.

the towers we get built (if any get built). its an isolated sector
 
SirRumpole said:
In principle I don't think it's a bad idea as long as it doesn't hurt those on low incomes.
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Done in a "sharp" manner I doubt you'd find too many people who'd be opposed to stopping actual rorts by multi-millionaires so long as it's not harming Joe Average the bricklayer who stops work at age 55 because their body's wearing out and then lives off their investments bought with income that's already been taxed once. Etc. :2twocents
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes it's going to be difficult for Bowen to live that one down, even though in most other ways he seems to be a hard worker.

It will be interesting to see if they stick with this policy (and negative gearing) and "explain" them more or ditch them altogether. In principle I don't think it's a bad idea as long as it doesn't hurt those on low incomes.
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1 property per individual can be negatively geared....would be easy to administer and gives everyone access to the benefits, should they choose to take advantage. Much like the PPR exemption, you can only nominate one property at any given time. Existing arrangements grandfathered.

Or better still do nothing.....given super low interest rates and a soft property market, now is not the time, and there are bigger priorities.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Aboriginals, gays, immigrants and other minorities - well I'm extremely sympathetic to the cause and firmly on the "progressive" side there but what exactly is needing doing? What's the issue here? There are problems in remote Aboriginal communities yes but that has been the case forever and no government yet has managed to fix them so it's not a reason to vote one way or the other. As for the gays and immigrants, well what are the Liberals doing to them that's bad? The marriage issue was sorted and there's a hell of a lot of immigrants coming in so sorry Bill but I'm not seeing the issue here. This all sounds like someone trying to pad out their resume by continuing to fight yesterday's war, they're not core issues facing the Australian people at the present time.
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I'd have to say that I gritted my teeth every time Labor mentioned "minority" groups.

Elections are won in the mainstream, on bread and butter issues that everyone has to deal with, cost of living, wages, jobs, infrastructure , skills.

Constant harping about one particular group or another just infuriates the "majority".
 
Toyota Lexcen said:
no it doesnt, goes to males who wont work and then wiggle there way onto DSP (long term bludgers)

its their right though yeah
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Sigh...........note below age care and age pension / income support for seniors, please point out where all the money is going to long term bludgers.

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where is that table from

DSP, administration and other programs, job seeker income support

take some from each of them and you have my figure
 
wayneL said:
It's always good to have a strong, sensible and viable opposition. I like Albo for this role, perhaps with Bowen as deputy. There are a couple of others who could fit the bill, but definitely not Tanya, who will take the party further in its current disastrous direction.
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I think Albo will get it, but he's the "old guard Left class warrior" so I wonder how effective he will be.

The electorate has shifted to the Right and I think that Labor need to move more towards the Centre.

If you look at elections that Labor has won from Opposition, both here and overseas, I think of Tony Blair in the UK, and Hawke and Rudd in Oz, in all of those cases Labor distanced themselves from the unions and became more welcoming to aspirational middle class voters. Sure Hawke was a unionist but he campaigned on "national reconcilliation" and Rudd tried to give the impression that he was a fiscal conservative and didn't go around proposing new taxes and higher spending in Opposition so he didn't frighten voters.

Like it or not the electorate doesn't like rapid change and is becoming tired of class wars. Whoever gets the Labor leadership has to cosy up to business and to people in the middle class trying to get ahead, they can't rely on welfare recipients and the unions as much as they used to.
 
Wysiwyg said:
The BS has started to flow freely.

1) Tax sugary and alcoholic drinks to raise $3 billion to tackle obesity and health issues.

My thought - don't tell people what they can or cannot do with their bodies.


My thought - don't tell people what they can or cannot do with their bodies.

2) Labor - Tackle online accommodation duopoly Booking..com and Expedia..com by having people choose direct booking. Claim was the online booking agents charge up to 30% more.

My thought - I fact checked a random Gold Coast resort (Sheraton Grand Mirage) with same dates and room and adults and found Booking..com was exactly the same price as booking direct throught Sheraton. The Labor preacher lied.

3) Labor - Apprentice numbers have fallen away since the Coalition held Government.

My thought - Did Bill 'I promise a budget deficit' Shorten ever consider manufacturing automation has taken many trade jobs and will continue to do so.

What is noticable is the pollies and lobbiest assume people are stupid and while some are, the rest should not have to bear consequence. As I said, the BS is starting to flow freely.
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Does that go for heroin as well?​
 
Humid said:
You haven’t voted Labor since Bob Hawke you say and then spend a decade on here trying to sound a balanced voter
RUSTED on much
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I'm prepared to vote Labor, any time they put forward a decent platform, Kev was a dick and has been proven so, Gillard was no better, Bill is from the same mould.
As has been proven, Labor hasn't got a clue, don't talk fairness when your carrying a knife up your sleeve.
Hopefully they learn, this was an unlosable election, that was lost due to their perceived nastiness.
Middle Australia gave them the bird, because they couldn't trust that they wouldn't be next, in the cross hairs.
Elections are won on trust, not blind faith.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think Albo will get it, but he's the "old guard Left class warrior" so I wonder how effective he will be.

The electorate has shifted to the Right and I think that Labor need to move more towards the Centre.

If you look at elections that Labor has won from Opposition, both here and overseas, I think of Tony Blair in the UK, and Hawke and Rudd in Oz, in all of those cases Labor distanced themselves from the unions and became more welcoming to aspirational middle class voters. Sure Hawke was a unionist but he campaigned on "national reconcilliation" and Rudd tried to give the impression that he was a fiscal conservative and didn't go around proposing new taxes and higher spending in Opposition so he didn't frighten voters.

Like it or not the electorate doesn't like rapid change and is becoming tired of class wars. Whoever gets the Labor leadership has to cosy up to business and to people in the middle class trying to get ahead, they can't rely on welfare recipients and the unions as much as they used to.
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Perfectly put Rumpy, you nailed it.
 
An Interesting article on Bloomberg, regarding the election results and demographics. It kind of backs up Rumpy's comment.
Labor seem to be attracting the yuppy left leaning intellectuals, at the expense of the blue collar middle class.
I know my son, who works in the mines at Kal, reckons all his work mates prefer the Libs, which I found interesting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...lia-s-shock-election-result-has-global-echoes

From the article:
Despite some claims that the Coalition won on the basis of wealthy and older voters turned off by Labor’s promise to increase taxes on shares and investment property, some of the biggest swings to the Coalition were in lower middle-class suburbs and exurbs that have some of the youngest demographic profiles in the country.

In particular, a swath of seats in western Sydney and the greater Brisbane region moved heavily to the government’s side, helping it retain power.
And:
By contrast, in Sydney’s wealthy northern beaches, the deep-dyed conservative former prime minister Abbott suffered the biggest loss of the night with a 19 percent swing to centrist independent Zali Steggall. In Melbourne’s affluent inner east, the seat of Kooyong that’s been the Liberals’ safest for more than a century suffered a 5.4 percent swing towards Julian Burnside, a campaigning refugee lawyer on the Greens party ticket, leaving it just a whisker above marginal status.



The traditional urban-rural maps on which Australia’s major parties have built their majorities are being scrambled. Just as in Texas and west London, right-of-center slices of its cities are growing more liberal; just as in Ohio and northeast England, left-of-center regional areas are becoming more conservative. Which side is better able to capitalize on those trends will decide the direction of politics for the coming decade, not just in Australia but across the world.
 
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