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Humid said:
Lol self centred.....you have done nothing but whinge for months about losing your franking credits and it didn’t happen
Flog of the highest order
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And you were the one saying I was going to bent over a log, I can understand your disappointment, nasty to the core following in king Billys footsteps.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Labor has a better chance with Chris Bowen. Less BS and a straight shooter and if he becomes opp. leader, the coalition would want to have had a value adding term in control. Otherwise this bloke will pants Libs. My long range prediction. :xyxthumbs

P.s. pending "policy" of course. Sometimes no change is bloody good.
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Yes Ive always liked Bowen, I just hope silly Billys brain fart, hasnt left him on the nose. So to speak.
 
Looks like I might collect on my minority gummint bet after all. Got 3s, but coulda got 4s and above. Oh well.

My Reps vote was always going to be wasted in this electorate, but disappointed my first Senate choice won't get a berth. Se come choice got up though.

Lessons for both major parties here and I reckon Labor might learn them better than the LNC... maybe.

While some of Labor's reforms were terrifying, others would have been interesting and would have liked to have seen how they played out.

The LNC has a massive opportunity to recapture their own essence and their own base and to stop pandering to the disgusting postmodernists.
 
It is indeed a great chance for the right to renew itself, TA toxicity is gone and hopefully Dutton has learnt from his failed PM attempt..n
But not sure about that
For labour/green sadly, the Sarah @$# is still around and i expect no self introspection, just an easy blame Bill..which is probably just a part but not all of the explanation

Also hope they will read their actual votes..not just the preference results.for both side
But Australia problems remain, a culture changing immigration for short term gain and long term issues, an economy of digging dirt, fake unemployment figures,low preparation for economic shock and far too high taxation for the amount of services provided
We still have debt, no infrastructure, overpriced cost of living especially non discretionary one: rates insurance water and power
Layer and layer of regulation, parasitism from building code to taxation or business red green tape
Much to be done, and still waiting the necessary reset of a recession/depression to reboot our society
Last point might inflame some readers but we are actually paying too high a price of avoiding the GFC as a society in my opinion
 
Smurf1976 said:
If Labor thinks the people have rejected the concept of a grand vision then I disagree.

They’ve rejected the arrogant dismissal of legitimate concerns about the detail not the concept of a grand vision itself.
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It will be difficult to sell big ideas in the future unless it's totally apparent that there are no losers as there always will be (unless the losers are corporations who don't vote). Scare campaigns seem to work well in the electorate.

In the meantime I guess Labor can argue that the LNP went into the election with no policies therefore they have no mandate for anything. I can see a lot of blocking of legislation, budgets etc if Labor/Greens control the Senate.

The Labor leadership will be interesting.

Bowen might have blown the election all by himself with the "get stuffed if you don't like it" comment so I"m not sure if the public would warm to him.

Albo is part of "old guard" so his chance may have gone.

Mark Butler seems pretty articulate so if Labor are in the mood for a modern leader he may be a good choice.

Plibersek is articulate but she always seemed a bit whiny and too Leftist to me.

What's pretty certain is that the electorate as a whole is going Right and the Labor Left doesn't cut it with voters anymore. Rudd won because he was a "gentler , kinder " version of Howard, and he had virtually no policies either.

I think Labor has to learn a lesson, try not to frighten the horses and just run negative scare campaigns from the Centre against the far Right of the LNP.

A recession is looming and it's not time for big ideas anymore. Labor certainly need to appeal to a greater slice of the electorate than they do now. They need more small business people, professionals and middle class aspirationals in their ranks not just ex union leaders.

They have to move with the times in other words.
 
They have to move with the times in other words.
Yes can not agree more, there is no class warfare in Australia so put back the poms unionists in their plane, and stop tribalism.thanksfully, Australia is still better than that
Break clearly links with radical left..aka greens
Unions are not representative anymore so change Labour party internals
Get economically relevant and gain some trust then you may have a chance
My outsider view
Or just play the Instagram politician as in France, NZ or Canada...
But labour tried with Shorten and it luckily seems to fail here
Do not take it too hard SirRumpole
 
Labor was short on detail. Here is the reason a lot of older voters deserted them.

My bolds: Gloria is one of many thousands of low income people who would have lost out big time.

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Let’s take Barry and Lesley as an example. Multimillionaires with all their superannuation sitting in their two large APRA-regulated funds totalling $3 million.

They are both 67 years old and draw an income of $150,000 a year from their super fund, which sits in pension phase.

They don’t pay any tax personally and their super fund is tax free. Better still, their super balance each year is topped up by franking credits of nearly $13,000.

Compare this with Gloria, a 53-year-old divorced mother of three. She has very little in superannuation, a cash emergency fund and a share portfolio worth $300,000 from her divorce settlement.

She earns dividend income of $13,500 a year and receives a refundable franking credit of just under $6000 a year.


Under Labor’s proposed policy to abolish refundable franking credits, Barry and Lesley, the retired multimillionaires, will continue to get nearly $13,000 of franking credits to boost their super balance, however Gloria, the divorcee, will lose her refundable credit of about $6000 a year.

So how does it make sense that the multimillionaires keep their franking credits to top up their super but the single divorcee, who is struggling, loses it? And is this equitable?

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...d-their-franking-credits-20190517-p51obt.html
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qldfrog said:
They have to move with the times in other words.
Yes can not agree more, there is no class warfare in Australia so put back the poms unionists in their plane, and stop tribalism.thanksfully, Australia is still better than that
Break clearly links with radical left..aka greens
Unions are not representative anymore so change Labour party internals
Get economically relevant and gain some trust then you may have a chance
My outsider view
Or just play the Instagram politician as in France, NZ or Canada...
But labour tried with Shorten and it luckily seems to fail here
Do not take it too hard SirRumpole
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I'm certainly disappointed, but still fascinated by the demographics of it all.

The "young" who think themselves so "switched on" that they know better than anyone else seem not to have been a factor in this election, but maybe pre polling votes will tell a different story.

Offend the "grey warriors" at your peril it seems, even though Labor took pains to exempt pensioners and part pensioners from their franking credit reforms.

Those trying to get into the housing market also didn't rise up for Labor as expected, I wonder why.

Anyway I'm sure that there will be a lot of post mortems around in the Labor ranks. (I'm not a Labor Party member btw).
 
Great outcome. I really hope the Government sorts out the welfare bill the country has.

There is 30-40 Billion per annum in savings I feel. Lots of jobs around.

Bowen stuffed it up for Labor.
 
Don't worry about being crippled by higher taxes. We are well overdue for a recession ... in which it which case the sitting government will be sipping from a poison chalice of an economy. House prices will continue to fall irrespective, and no matter how hard they try, they won't be able to bring back the bubble.
All it will take is a crash on the US fake markets to trigger it.
 
Barry cassidy crying into his cornflakes this morning. Wong had a meltdown last night and plibersek blaming everyone else but themselves.

Can't take responsibility for a loss. Whats even worse is that they are living in delusion.

Labor needs a winter culling.
 
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