Australian Federal Election - 2019

[Humid]

Well carefull you don't look into it.
By the way have you made a stock related post yet? Or are you still just trolling?
After all you have been on the forum for over a year now, isn't it time you started contributing?

You might want to polish your stock related nous as the easy street franking bus is losing its wheels pops

 

[sptrawler]

You might want to polish your stock related nous as the easy street franking bus is losing its wheels pops

You might want to polish up on any financial nous, because you are going to need it, when you stop work, young fella.
I own my house and have enough to see me through, the pension in its current form, probably wont be there when you arrive.
We are probably drifting off thread, but if it's entertaining, please continue.

 

[PZ99]

Tony Abbott's curious statement on Hawke...

To which someone replied:

"This is tasteless. A great former Prime Minister has passed and you've taken the opportunity to rewrite history for your own political positioning.

Also it's the 16th of May, not the 17th. Seems you've rewritten the future while you were at it."

I think Mr Abbott will pay dearly for that bit of attempted political millimeterage...

 

[sptrawler]

Tony Abbott's curious statement on Hawke...

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To which someone replied:

"This is tasteless. A great former Prime Minister has passed and you've taken the opportunity to rewrite history for your own political positioning.

Also it's the 16th of May, not the 17th. Seems you've rewritten the future while you were at it."

I think Mr Abbott will pay dearly for that bit of attempted political millimeterage...

Why? it is true. If anything I think Abbott is giving him credit.
https://thewest.com.au/politics/far...r-skoller-and-diehard-romantic-ng-b881202098z
From the article:
After replacing Labor leader Bill Hayden in February 1980, Hawke led a landslide victory in 1983 to overthrow a tired Malcolm Fraser government before he went on to become Australia’s longest-serving Labor prime minister.

In nine months, together with the Robin to his Batman in Treasurer Paul Keating, the Hawke government had floated the Australian dollar and went on to privatise the Commonwealth Bank, Qantas and deregulated the markets with an Accord between the ALP and Australian Council of Trade Unions. Throughout his time in The Lodge he created what we now know as Medicare, superannuation and enterprising bargaining agreements.

If he was nasty, he could have brought up the pilots dispute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Australian_pilots'_dispute

 

[qldfrog]

Abbott or not, aren't Bob and Keating's great achievements the way they got rid of the rusted leftist economic views and indeed did a real liberal policy releasing the power of Australia and giving us 20y of success?
Rudd might have had a go with a decent mining tax..the initial version but the Labour leaders since look like straight of a 1980's UK mining union movie, and this is not a compliment
Bill is a bit different, if he could be PM with a one nation cap, he would be one nation today
He is not alone,Macron,Trudeau ,Jacinta...all frauds...
So Australia might soon join the Instagram politic nations group..
God or whatever saves us...

 

[PZ99]

Why? it is true. If anything I think Abbott is giving him credit.
https://thewest.com.au/politics/far...r-skoller-and-diehard-romantic-ng-b881202098z
From the article:
After replacing Labor leader Bill Hayden in February 1980, Hawke led a landslide victory in 1983 to overthrow a tired Malcolm Fraser government before he went on to become Australia’s longest-serving Labor prime minister.

In nine months, together with the Robin to his Batman in Treasurer Paul Keating, the Hawke government had floated the Australian dollar and went on to privatise the Commonwealth Bank, Qantas and deregulated the markets with an Accord between the ALP and Australian Council of Trade Unions. Throughout his time in The Lodge he created what we now know as Medicare, superannuation and enterprising bargaining agreements.

If he was nasty, he could have brought up the pilots dispute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Australian_pilots'_dispute

It's not the done thing to attempt to politicise statements on indulgence.
Maybe that wasn't his real motive but I reckon many will take the view that it was.
It looked pretty clumsy to me.

 

[sptrawler]

It's not the done thing to attempt to politicise statements on indulgence.
Maybe that wasn't his real motive but I reckon many will take the view that it was.
It looked pretty clumsy to me.

If Abbott had finesse and speaking skills, he would still be the Libs leader, I do think that it reads as a complimentary tribute.
Hawke had flaws that could be aired, if he wanted to be nasty. I just think Abbott is so on the nose, no matter what he said, it would be criticised.

 

[PZ99]

If Abbott had finesse and speaking skills, he would still be the Libs leader, I do think that it reads as a complimentary tribute.
Hawke had flaws that could be aired, if he wanted to be nasty. I just think Abbott is so on the nose, no matter what he said, it would be criticised.

Sometimes I feel the same way mate.
I read a comment today about people being blind for expressing their opinion on here...
I seem to remember someone else taking offense to a comment about TLS shares once

Well... Abbott himself obviously wasn't happy with his tribute so he released another one.

Hey I don't care what he says - personally I think he would've been better off with one of his 20 second silent nodding acts - but plenty of people thought it was tasteless and he's trying to win an election on two days time. He may have just done the country a favour

 

[sptrawler]

Sometimes I feel the same way mate.
I read a comment today about people being blind for expressing their opinion on here...
I seem to remember someone else taking offense to a comment about TLS shares once

Well... Abbott himself obviously wasn't happy with his tribute so he released another one.

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Hey I don't care what he says - personally I think he would've been better off with one of his 20 second silent nodding acts - but plenty of people thought it was tasteless and he's trying to win an election on two days time. He may have just done the country a favour

Like I said, he never was a skilled speaker and I'm with you and actually don't care what he says.
Sorry if it appeared I was defending him, I wasn't, I was just making an observation.
Just got home late last night, so I'm not abreast of any sniping Abbott may have been doing.

 

[PZ99]

Like I said, he never was a skilled speaker and I'm with you and actually don't care what he says.
Sorry if it appeared I was defending him, I wasn't, I was just making an observation.
Just got home late last night, so I'm not abreast of any sniping Abbott may have been doing.

Nah - it's all good mate. Nothing wrong with defending him. I'm all for free speech

 

[Smurf1976]

Sometimes I feel the same way mate.
I read a comment today about people being blind for expressing their opinion on here...

Much was said during the 1960’s - 00’s about tolerance, respect, equality, diversity of opinions and so on.

In the past I used to wonder how the likes of Hitler ever got anywhere, it all seemed too bizarre that the masses would be sucked in by something like that. Everyone thinks for themselves, right?

Looking at where things have ended up in 2019 with essentially zero tolerance for diversity of thought it’s both educational and frightening.

Educational because so much history now makes sense.

Frightening because we’re heading down exactly the same track. Agree with the mainstream “or else....” and that sure isn’t a good development.

 

[sptrawler]

Nah - it's all good mate. Nothing wrong with defending him. I'm all for free speech

I think Abbott is way past defending, it was just my take on the text, as written.
The second post you put up was more general, and didn't capture what Hawke actually achieved, which was quite incredible.
I think Abbott's first post, was more accurate of Hawke's achievements, just my opinion. We could do with a Hawke right now, to be perfectly honest.

 

[PZ99]

Much was said during the 1960’s - 00’s about tolerance, respect, equality, diversity of opinions and so on.

In the past I used to wonder how the likes of Hitler ever got anywhere, it all seemed too bizarre that the masses would be sucked in by something like that. Everyone thinks for themselves, right?

Looking at where things have ended up in 2019 with essentially zero tolerance for diversity of thought it’s both educational and frightening.

Educational because so much history now makes sense.

Frightening because we’re heading down exactly the same track. Agree with the mainstream “or else....” and that sure isn’t a good development.

No argument there. On the mainstream point I seem to remember another former PM stating to win an election you need to get votes from the centre.

So I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat

 

[moXJO]

Much was said during the 1960’s - 00’s about tolerance, respect, equality, diversity of opinions and so on.

In the past I used to wonder how the likes of Hitler ever got anywhere, it all seemed too bizarre that the masses would be sucked in by something like that. Everyone thinks for themselves, right?

Looking at where things have ended up in 2019 with essentially zero tolerance for diversity of thought it’s both educational and frightening.

Educational because so much history now makes sense.

Frightening because we’re heading down exactly the same track. Agree with the mainstream “or else....” and that sure isn’t a good development.

It is scary. Funny how progressive has become regressive.

 

[sptrawler]

Nah - it's all good mate. Nothing wrong with defending him. I'm all for free speech

Here is an article about the response to Abbott's post.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/lib...his-tribute-to-bob-hawke-20190516-p51o90.html
From the article:
Former Hawke minister Susan Ryan rebuked Mr Abbott on ABC television, saying there was “nothing Liberal about Bob”.

“He was absolutely Labor through and through. He loved the Labor movement. He loved nothing more in his later years than getting together with union colleagues, singing Solidarity for Ever, knowing the verses. It came from the heart,” she said.


“The idea that he would advance and create new directions in terms of deregulation was not Labor being Liberal, it was just hugely intelligent understanding of the way the world was going and making decisions that would ultimately be best for all the people of Australia.”

To me that is similar to what Abbott said, a Labor heart and a Liberal head with his deregulation policy.
The thing with Hawke, he had a 75% popularity rating, which meant he had backing to do just about anything.
The majority of people, felt that he had Australia at heart and whatever he chose to do, they trusted it was for the best.
There are very few politicians anywhere, that gain that amount of public trust.

 

[qldfrog]

Here is an article about the response to Abbott's post.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/lib...his-tribute-to-bob-hawke-20190516-p51o90.html
From the article:
Former Hawke minister Susan Ryan rebuked Mr Abbott on ABC television, saying there was “nothing Liberal about Bob”.

“He was absolutely Labor through and through. He loved the Labor movement. He loved nothing more in his later years than getting together with union colleagues, singing Solidarity for Ever, knowing the verses. It came from the heart,” she said.


“The idea that he would advance and create new directions in terms of deregulation was not Labor being Liberal, it was just hugely intelligent understanding of the way the world was going and making decisions that would ultimately be best for all the people of Australia.”

To me that is similar to what Abbott said, a Labor heart and a Liberal head with his deregulation policy.
The thing with Hawke, he had a 75% popularity rating, which meant he had backing to do just about anything.
The majority of people, felt that he had Australia at heart and whatever he chose to do, they trusted it was for the best.
There are very few politicians anywhere, that gain that amount of public trust.

True, Except Pauline but she missed the intelligence test in my opinion

 

[chiff]

Much was said during the 1960’s - 00’s about tolerance, respect, equality, diversity of opinions and so on.

In the past I used to wonder how the likes of Hitler ever got anywhere, it all seemed too bizarre that the masses would be sucked in by something like that. Everyone thinks for themselves, right?

Looking at where things have ended up in 2019 with essentially zero tolerance for diversity of thought it’s both educational and frightening.

Educational because so much history now makes sense.

Frightening because we’re heading down exactly the same track. Agree with the mainstream “or else....” and that sure isn’t a good development.

Re reading 'The Dark Valley'by historian Piers Brendon .The years between the two world wars.This explains very well how the Nazis came to power in Germany.The book has sections on Italy (el Duce rise) Britain,USA,Japan(rise of the military) and Russia.Each page has interesting and often amusing ancecdotes.
What the joke was about one English politician who was widely believed to be bent...If he swallowed a nail he would shite a corkscrew!

 

[basilio]

The data in your post would seem to suggest that a cap, not complete removal, would rectify the problem without the collateral damage which Labor's current proposal brings.

And I have agreed with that idea in at least two other posts on this topic. It just makes sense.
I also believe Labour will end up adopting that strategy because it will spare smaller investors while making sure the extremely wealthy individuals don't exploit this this particular rort.

$5billion a year with reports it will reach $8B in a couple of years is a big chunk of money.

 

[Humid]

You might want to polish up on any financial nous, because you are going to need it, when you stop work, young fella.
I own my house and have enough to see me through, the pension in its current form, probably wont be there when you arrive.
We are probably drifting off thread, but if it's entertaining, please continue.

Well you can wing it or give it all due diligence you like and then you have a change in government and your bent over again.
Bali,3 1/2 hours from Perth $200 return
Rent your house out here and live off it without dipping into your savings
No warm clothes required

 

[HelloU]

the 2018/19 welfare spend is $175B

(how does $5B compare to $175B when comparing money amounts)