The ScoMo Government

[sptrawler]

Greece is the word? lol

Might as well get on with the bucket list, before I'm stopped from spending it. lol

 

[Humid]

Last year $65k.
I doesn't matter how I define low income, the politicians are the ones who are defining it and making decissions accordingly.

My point was this scheme may suit you
Did you take the rebates on your new solar system?
When they first introduced solar panels with the ridiculous tariffs the people who cashed in on it probably were the ones that needed it the least and was pure economics.
How would it destabilise the grid further?

 

[Logique]

My point was this scheme may suit you
Did you take the rebates on your new solar system?
When they first introduced solar panels with the ridiculous tariffs the people who cashed in on it probably were the ones that needed it the least and was pure economics.
How would it destabilise the grid further?

Reverse Robin Hood for sure. I remember when it was a 60c feed in tariff here in NSW. It was all Green insiders and the well heeled who cashed in, they knew a good thing when they saw it. All paid for by increased tariffs on regular folks who couldn't afford the up front costs of a solar panel system.

Bill Shorten's proposed $2k towards batteries will be no different. 'Electricity Bill'

 

[sptrawler]

How would it destabilise the grid further?

Solar is causing huge problems with system stability, basically the system is set up so the power flows from the source(power station), to the load with the voltage stepped down along the way. The roof top solar is working the other way, which makes voltage control at the load very difficult.
The other problem is, the solar generation causes large load swings, which causes headaches for frequency control.
A more hollistic and technical approach is required, to ensure areas that have the greatest issues, are given priority.
There is a lot written about this in the thread 'the future of energy generation and storage'.

 

[Humid]

Solar is causing huge problems with system stability, basically the system is set up so the power flows from the source(power station), to the load with the voltage stepped down along the way. The roof top solar is working the other way, which makes voltage control at the load very difficult.
The other problem is, the solar generation causes large load swings, which causes headaches for frequency control.
A more hollistic and technical approach is required, to ensure areas that have the greatest issues, are given priority.
There is a lot written about this in the thread 'the future of energy generation and storage'.

Yeah I understand that but you were talking about batteries?

 

[Humid]

Reverse Robin Hood for sure. I remember when it was a 60c feed in tariff here in NSW. It was all Green insiders and the well heeled who cashed in, they knew a good thing when they saw it. All paid for by increased tariffs on regular folks who couldn't afford the up front costs of a solar panel system.

Bill Shorten's proposed $2k towards batteries will be no different. 'Electricity Bill'

I thought the 2 k was for peeps on low income?

 

[sptrawler]

Yeah I understand that but you were talking about batteries?

That is why I said, areas with the greatest issues, should be given priority.
It should be deployed on a technical basis, not a vote catching basis.
Somewhat like the problem with the way the NBN was deployed, it should have been rolled out to CBD's first, so that high usage would help pay for the build.
Rather than to lower socioeconomic areas, where usage was low and take up was slow.

 

[PZ99]

Liberal MP Craig Kelly plans to run as an independent at the next election and is considering quitting the party immediately, in the latest blow to unity inside the Morrison government.

The Coalition is braced for further defections following Julia Banks' bombshell resignation on Tuesday and MPs are openly speculating about who could be next - with Mr Kelly top of the list.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...aces-for-more-defections-20181128-p50iyk.html

Crikey we may not even get to the budget ?

 

[Smurf1976]

Crikey we may not even get to the budget ?

Does anyone at this point seriously think there's any chance at all of the Coalition winning the next election?

I mean seriously. Personal political preferences aside the government is basically self-destructing at this point.

 

[sptrawler]

Liberal MP Craig Kelly plans to run as an independent at the next election and is considering quitting the party immediately, in the latest blow to unity inside the Morrison government.

Well I guess a lot will be trying to save their skins, if they lose their seat they have to get a real job.
I personally think that there is a massive over reaction to media coverage.

There is nothing surer, than the media will talk up a story, to make a story. IMO

The Craig Kelly issue is about pre selection, not disunity in the Morrison Government.

 

[wayneL]

Does anyone at this point seriously think there's any chance at all of the Coalition winning the next election?

I mean seriously. Personal political preferences aside the government is basically self-destructing at this point.

No, they're rooted.

Alienated their base and there are deep divisions within the party

 

[Smurf1976]

Well I guess a lot will be trying to save their skins, if they lose their seat they have to get a real job.

I think it has dawned upon quite a few that not only is the party likely to lose government, it is likely to lose seats on a large enough scale such that for any individual MP the chance of losing is high enough to warrant serious consideration of their own plan B.

 

[CBerg]

...
Crikey we may not even get to the budget ?

The way the Libs are atm I'd be surprised if we make it to Australia Day at the latest without an election being called. If I was GG I would be dissolving the government as it's just atrocious.

Libs are rocking up to the fight with sticks in their hand while Labor are bringing a flame thrower. It's not even a competition it's pathetic.

 

[sptrawler]

The way the Libs are atm I'd be surprised if we make it to Australia Day at the latest without an election being called. If I was GG I would be dissolving the government as it's just atrocious.

Libs are rocking up to the fight with sticks in their hand while Labor are bringing a flame thrower. It's not even a competition it's pathetic.

To be perfectly honest and balanced, most of the ruckus is being generated by the press, the Government has been operating on a slim majority since the election.
Labor are playing a smart game, by keeping silly Billy under the radar, because his approval rating is lower than a fart in a phone box.
What the Government IMO needs to do, is sit back and come up with sensible policy, it isn't that hard.
For one, I would be taking the pi$$ out of the cash for batteries splash, what an absolute joke, give the poor $2k to buy $12k of $hit that will never pay for itself.
https://www.smh.com.au/money/planni...mily-panels-enerby-bills-20181029-p50coa.html

 

[CBerg]

To be perfectly honest and balanced, most of the ruckus is being generated by the press, the Government has been operating on a slim majority since the election.
Labor are playing a smart game, by keeping silly Billy under the radar, because his approval rating is lower than a fart in a phone box.
What the Government IMO needs to do, is sit back and come up with sensible policy, it isn't that hard.
For one, I would be taking the pi$$ out of the cash for batteries splash, what an absolute joke, give the poor $2k to buy $12k of $hit that will never pay for itself.
https://www.smh.com.au/money/planni...mily-panels-enerby-bills-20181029-p50coa.html

I tend to agree about beat up in the media but it's all based on what you see/hear in the media so how do they beat that? How many people are realistically looking further into the situation then seeing the Libs dump their leader & they're still having internal crisis's every 2nd week?

Being fair to Labor I think the polls are off about Shorten's approval rating personally and clinging on to that is a bit of false hope for the Libs. I just don't think the Libs have the guts to sit down & focus on what needs to be done instead of bickering between themselves.

I think Australia with the right leader and party could do some really interesting & great things in a lot of spaces right now but both parties are more of the same old same old. Everyone is screaming out for a leader and all we're being offered is middle management.

 

[Humid]

Banking royal commissions and Baaaaaa baaabarnaby rooting his staff and knifing your prime minister in the back and not even getting that right lol
Bloody media

Take on the unions and cut penalty rates I think that shows you what this mob is about

 

[Logique]

I thought the 2 k was for peeps on low income?

Define low income! Labor says it's less than $180,000

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/labor-to-offer-2000-battery-rebates-for-homes-in-energy-plan
..From 2020, Labor would cut the upfront costs of buying and installing batteries for homes earning less than $180,000 with rebates worth up to $2000 each.
Labor's energy spokesman Mark Butler said the Labor battery initiative would help ease pressure on the electricity grid during peak times...

 

[jbocker]

So we will be off to an election. I don't usually comment on politics but me thinks..
Dutton dressed as lamb (to the slaughter) and Tony (off to) Abbottoir and Bill (couldn't) Shorten the odds. Will we all end up better off? Me answer: it is a Far Call.

I saw the political analogy in my two 2yo grandkids (genders will not be specified) screaming their nappies off in a full blooded 'ME ME ME is all that matters' tantrum.
Their father walks in and yells "WHAT is this!! … PARLIAMENT?!!!

I deadest spat my scrambled eggs across the table. The kids loved that (must have thought they were media for a moment).

 

[Junior]

Being fair to Labor I think the polls are off about Shorten's approval rating personally and clinging on to that is a bit of false hope for the Libs.

Agreed. The issue here is that "Scomo" is becoming less and less likeable by the day.

 

[Logique]

No, they're rooted.
Alienated their base and there are deep divisions within the party

Worse, they'll do Labor's dirty work before they go. They'll go and sign the Paris Agreement, so that Labor will always be able to say "..the Coalition signed that, don't blame us".

The Sisterhood is one future career path, eg Banks and Bishop, not sure what the blokes will do