Labor's carbon tax lie

drsmith · 24 February 2011

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...arbon-tax-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226011399307

Go Tony. Here's more.

Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan last week said if Labor won the August 21 poll, there would not be a carbon tax during its next three years in power.

Ms Gillard seemed to go a step further on Monday.

"There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead," she told Network Ten

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/election2010/7945914/pm-says-no-carbon-tax-under-her-govt

Wayne Swan's remarks during the election campaign,

KERRY O'BRIEN: Very briefly, address Joe Hockey's question about a carbon tax. You would say an ETS.

Is there any likelihood of a second Gillard Government introducing an Emissions Trading Scheme within your next term?

WAYNE SWAN: Kerry, We've made our position absolutely clear. I know they're running a scare campaign that a carbon tax is coming because I saw their ads in North Queensland when I was there last night.

The Prime Minister has made it very clear that we are going to go out and achieve community consensus, which was fractured by Mr Hockey and the Liberals when they voted down the ETS. That is where the ETS is, it's voted down, it's voted down. We have to go back to the community and proceed how we go from here, thanks to Mr Hockey.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Okay. Now, brief response Mr Hockey.

JOE HOCKEY: What was that? Was that yes or no? That was just... The fundamental question is, are you going to rule out a carbon tax in the next term of the Government - yes or no?

WAYNE SWAN: We have made our position very clear. We have ruled it out.
We have to go back to the community and work out a way in which we can put a cap on carbon pollution.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Okay...

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2981491.htm

pilots · 24 February 2011

And the mining tax will be 80% paid for by WA, what a joke this mob is.

drsmith · 24 February 2011

The leader, the mouthpiece and someone trying to look like Kenny Rogers.

OzWaveGuy · 24 February 2011

Does anyone know what form the Carbon Tax will be implemented in eg similar to a GST? and what products and services will be affected by this lie? Haven't seen much on it as yet.

noco · 24 February 2011

What a confounded liar this apology for a Prime Minister (by default) of ours is!!!
There is no doubt Labor is in Government, but the Greens have the power. Even after the election Bob Brown (the pseudo deputy Prime Minister) said there would be a carbon tax in 2011.
How false these people are who say anything to gain power.
I'll bet the 'lefties' will stay quiet on this one.

Market Depth · 24 February 2011

And I thought Bob Brown was Gay? But apparently he likes Screwing Julia every now and then.

GumbyLearner · 24 February 2011

Fallacy of Decomposition at work again. Labor needs areas like Toorak, South Yarra, Mosman etc.. to swing to the Greens next election. So they are willing to thump the battlers with a carbon tax. Not surprised at all.

joea · 24 February 2011

drsmith said:
The leader, the mouthpiece and someone trying to look like Kenny Rogers.

Thats "Curly, Larry and Moe."

trainspotter · 24 February 2011

A CARBON price will start in Australia on July 1, 2012, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced.

Ms Gillard said a fixed carbon price would start in 2012, before moving to a cap-and-trade emissions trading scheme within three to five years.

"If you put a price on something - people will use less of it,'' she said.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/carbon-tax-to-begin-july-2012/story-e6frea6u-1226011274934

I find this highly disturbing to say the least.

When India, China and America introduce a CARBON TAX then and ONLY then should Australia look into it. China's 3 top power stations pollute more in one month then Australia does in one whole year. This is not a joke.

Matters of compensation would be worked through with the multi-party climate change committee.

Mr Brown said his party would be lobbying to get a good deal for householders.

"It isn't just a matter of compensating industry - particularly polluters," he said.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ???????? Why introduce a tax then compensate for it?? HUH ???

So_Cynical · 24 February 2011

Oh goodie...a brand spanking new Labor bashing thread

just what this forum needed.

drsmith im curious, do you and Tranny actually have any money in the stock market or are you two here just for the endless Labor bashing opportunity's presented by this forum?

noco · 24 February 2011

So_Cynical said:
Oh goodie...a brand spanking new Labor bashing thread just what this forum needed. drsmith im curious, do you and Tranny actually have any money in the stock market or are you two here just for the endless Labor bashing opportunity's presented by this forum?

Yeah well, you can't say they didn't ask for it. If you lay beside mongrel dogs, you are bound ot get fleas!!!!

trainspotter · 24 February 2011

I am just here for the bashing. I cannot speak for drsmith.

My shares are through my super fund ...... does this count?

My property is through several Unit Trusts and various companies. Is this OK ?

Have we touched a nerve sweetie?

So_Cynical · 24 February 2011

trainspotter said:
I am just here for the bashing. I cannot speak for drsmith.

My shares are through my super fund ...... does this count?

My property is through several Unit Trusts and various companies. Is this OK ?

Have we touched a nerve sweetie?

LOL and i get labelled a troll.

personally i post on Game forums cos i like gaming, i post on a couple of specific interest foreign forums cos im specifically interested in what gets discussed there and i post here for the stock and economic discussion.

You and the rest of the gang of 5 seem to post here only for the political discussion, however there isn't much of a discussion cos its so slanted to your side..so its more like a Labor bashing, whinny liberal exercise in group net-flagellation.

Still what ever floats ya boat i suppose.

Smurf1976 · 24 February 2011

Once again, the Greens seem to have found a means to force through a policy contrary to that of the government for which the majority of Australians voted at the most recent election.

Nothing new there, other than that this time it is of national significance rather than being a state or local matter. As anyone who has watched politics in Tasmania over the past 30 years will be well aware, there's a pattern to this.

Today the Greens will proudly proclaim that one of their ideas is being implemented. Sometime down the track they will be pointing out that they can not be blamed for problems, since Labor were in government at the time. Been there, seen that one before. Claim credit today, then point out that the Greens have never held majority government and as such are not responsible for anything going wrong. Judge for yourself...

The bottom line, in practice, is that your power bills are going up as is the cost of anything else you buy which involves electricity or heat (that is, literally everything unless it's a direct import from overseas). :2twocents

sails · 24 February 2011

So_Cynical said:
...drsmith im curious, do you and Tranny actually have any money in the stock market or are you two here just for the endless Labor bashing opportunity's presented by this forum?

lol - not everyone is watching minute charts! All sorts of time frames would be traded by the diverse number of members at ASF.

It defies belief that Gillard and Swan can so blatantly break the very definite election promise NOT to impose a carbon tax in their government. She is treating Aussies as idiots. I thought Rudd was hopeless, but she takes the cake with her self serving agendas...

If she thinks she's so invincible, why doesn't she do what John Howard did by presenting this to the people BEFORE the next election. If they win that election in their own right, then they have a mandate to proceed. But doing it this way is underhand and deceitful, IMO.

This government did not win the last election in its own right and therefore has no mandate from the people to govern, let alone break electon promises of something as major as a controversial carbon tax.

Hopefully this will be the demise of this Rudd/ Gillard / Swan government for good.

trainspotter · 24 February 2011

So_Cynical said:
LOL and i get labelled a troll. personally i post on Game forums cos i like gaming, i post on a couple of specific interest foreign forums cos im specifically interested in what gets discussed there and i post here for the stock and economic discussion.

You and the rest of the gang of 5 seem to post here only for the political discussion, however there isn't much of a discussion cos its so slanted to your side..so its more like a Labor bashing, whinny liberal exercise in group net-flagellation.

Still what ever floats ya boat i suppose.

Sort of but not quite So_Cyclical. You have had your fair share of Liberal bashing rants as well. Quid quo pro big boy.

If you look really really closely you will see we are not attacking your precious Labor Party. We are pointing out to their mistakes and lies. If it were the Liberals I would do the same (ahem ..... I have done this as well) If it were the Independents I would do the same. If it was God himself I would do the same.

You are not that special to garner my full attention. But if you want I will make a really big effort to comply with your wishes.

Why don't you put forward as to WHY this Carbon Tax is going to be so good for us please, the same way that NBNMyths has in the other thread. He has marvellous information at his fingertips. You don't learn if you dont ask questions.

noco · 24 February 2011

Gillard admits she lied just to get into power. We will all take with a grain of salt what she says at the next election. Hope it will be sooner rather than later.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai..._confirms_she_lied_about_about_no_carbon_tax/

robusta · 24 February 2011

sails said:
If she thinks she's so invincible, why doesn't she do what John Howard did by presenting this to the people BEFORE the next election. If they win that election in their own right, then they have a mandate to proceed. But doing it this way is underhand and deceitful, IMO.

Would that be a core promise or a non-core promise that would make you happy?

An election promise that you have gone back on after the election is over. It is important not to define what promises are core and what are non-core before the election itself.
After winning the 1996 Australian Federal election John Howard slashed spending on Education, Health, Social Welfare blaming a budget deficit left by the previous government. When it was pointed out that he had promised not to cut spending on these areas as part of his election platform and that he had lied, he claimed that these were "non-core promises"

Not taking sides just trying to show some balance - they are all politicians.

basilio · 24 February 2011

Ah yet another carefully nuanced and balanced ASF topic. Perhaps we should also start one up on Labour baby killers and pedophiles. (Irony, Irony, !!)

Let's get to the basis of all this nonsense. Almost every intelligent climate scientist who understands basic science and can read figures recognizes that human produced CO2 is changing our climate and is causing climate change on a potentially catastrophic level. Their unanimous advice to the community and governments is that to somehow slow or divert this possible future we (somehow) need to drastically reduce the amount of CO2 we produce. The economists say that putting up the price on carbon might help this outcome by encouraging other forms of energy production.

Now on the other hand of course we have those paragons of virtue the fossil fool industry that will do absolutely anything to throw dust in the eyes of the community on this subject - because naturally it threatens the next billion dollars they make. And on ASF we have the usual suspects who believe that the overwhelming majority of the scientific community is totally and comprehensively wrong on this issue and have their noses in the collective swill buckets of academia to keep up their extravagant lifestyles monitoring the totally fictitious evidence of ice melts, record climate changes and the biological changes that are inherent in the effects of rapid climate change.

Because of course it is still so pleasantly lovely in sunny Townsville isn't it ?

Rant on guys. I do fear for your collective sanity if you ever actually wake up.

Julia · 24 February 2011

trainspotter said:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ???????? Why introduce a tax then compensate for it?? HUH ???

This is the bit that really gets me also. What is the point if we are all going to be paying more but being compensated for that higher payment???

trainspotter said:
Why don't you put forward as to WHY this Carbon Tax is going to be so good for us please, the same way that NBNMyths has in the other thread.

Excellent suggestion. SC, I look forward to your detailed explanation of how this tax will make what difference to what and at what cost (with apologies for the questionable grammar.)

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