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rederob said:
In the real world I am suspicious of people who talk to themselves.
In cyberspace I share that with people who respond to their own posts.
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then again, you are allowed (I trust) to reason something out in public.

anyone ever tell you that you have a nasty streak rob :eek:
 
so lemme get this straight, wayne

you’re pro-saving whales, but the fact that their feeding areas are becoming significantly depleted partly due to reduced extent of sea-ice, (and posts that point this out, quotes typed out from Flannery’s book in many cases) are nonsense (/ nonsinse )

you feign a concern about critters doing it tough, but the fact that heaps are becoming extinct due to global warming, (and posts that point this out, ditto) are nonsense.

You continue to amaze me with the range of your opinions … :2twocents
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Jeez, 2020,

If you are coming clean on your footprint, imagine what a confession Al Gore
would have to make.

Which brings us all the way back to the first entry I posted on this thread.

So can we now end it where we began?

gg
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gg
I see that Townsville and Cairns are copping both flooding and king tides ...

... some lady saying today that cyclone Charlotte (having cut the Barkley Highway) was all over the place like a kid on red cordial :2twocents

people stuck in Nadi in Fiji etc
 
2020hindsight said:
WWF (apart from having diametrically different opinions to many around here :rolleyes:) also has this calculator ...
http://wwf.org.au/footprint/calculator/
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I'm giving up on this calculator. All it's done so far is download ridiculous amoutns of data, something that is directly adding CO2 to the atmosphere, and ask irrelevant questions about my hairstyle.

I do note however what looks very much like a photo of Gordon Dam in one of the images on that site. Maybe not, but it sure looks like the classic photo looking down on that dam.

How ironic, an environmental organization using a photo of the ultimate engineering icon of the Hydro, a dam in S.W. Tas, and saying that's where the future is.

What next? Midnight Oil get back together and sing in support of uranium mining? John Howard returns to public life as a union leader? :p:

I do note though that they seem to understand very well that it takes rather a long time to cut CO2 and that we need an integrated mix of technologies to do it. Being somewhat brave for an environmental organisation, they seem willing to acknowledge that large scale hydro is part of the future, solar and wind are a long way short of total solutions and we'll still be using some coal in 30 years' time too. Right on all points in my opinion.

The calculator's still sending ridiculous amounts of data to my computer and belching CO2 in doing so by the way. :(
 
2020hindsight said:
so lemme get this straight, wayne

you’re pro-saving whales, but the fact that their feeding areas are becoming significantly depleted partly due to reduced extent of sea-ice, (and posts that point this out, quotes typed out from Flannery’s book in many cases) are nonsense (/ nonsinse )

you feign a concern about critters doing it tough, but the fact that heaps are becoming extinct due to global warming, (and posts that point this out, ditto) are nonsense.

You continue to amaze me with the range of your opinions … :2twocents
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Oh how tiresome.

My opinion is utterly consistent. Yes there are species such as whale under pressure from man's activities on this planet, but it is nothing to do with cc.

The fact that you cannot grasp, or seek to distort this very simple point, is a damning indictment. I've stated the same thing 1000 different ways yet you play the "malicious idiot" game. It reminds me of the diplomatic tactics of various despotic dictators, invent a lie and just keep spouting it.

It is totally low.
 
Did the WWF have a history of trying to maintain Apartheid in South Africa while using the cloak of environmentalism at the same time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Bernhard_of_the_Netherlands

In 1995, Nelson Mandela called upon the Kumleben Commission to investigate, among other things, the role of the WWF in apartheid South Africa. In the report that followed, it was suggested that mercenaries from Project Lock had planned assassinations of ANC members and that mercenaries had been running training camps in the wildlife reserves, training fighters from the anti-communist groups UNITA and Renamo. Although Prince Bernhard was never accused of any crime in its context, the Project Lock scandal dealt another damaging blow to the Prince's name.
 
2020hindsight said:
gg
I see that Townsville and Cairns are copping both flooding and king tides ...

... some lady saying today that cyclone Charlotte (having cut the Barkley Highway) was all over the place like a kid on red cordial :2twocents

people stuck in Nadi in Fiji etc
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Most folk up here would say we are going back to the old wet seasons.

Then again they are just plain folk who measure rainfall in a gauge, watch the skies for clues to weather, fish and grow crops for you guys down south to eat.

They don't have the luxury of all the graphs and youtubes.

gg
 
Done the quiz. 2.8 Earths, most of it due to food and the house.

I'd say it's fairly reasonable overall - I've tried putting in some typical socialist-type answers (eg using more public transport) and it correctly shows that this increases overall environmental impact if all other things are equal.

Looks like I'd better stop eating and camp out in the backyard. I can still use the computer, power etc though since it correctly calculates that, for my location, that's not really an issue.

So, one centrally heated tent with broadband and a vegie garden out the back coming up... :D
 
PS btw rob, you posted
"Just to put you out of your misery …
Antarctic sea ice is increasing, firmly.”
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I posted
Rob
Whilst I suspect your caveat "depends who you read etc" is relevant, I would disagree with your claim (I think) that there's no doubt that Antarctic seaice is increasing "firmly" ... (I assume you mean significantly).

Here's what NSIDC (National Snow and Ice Data Center) say about the alleged trend (see the graph btw, the mean of years 2001-2008 are below average for instance). "not statistically significant"
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In the subsequent posts you go on to discuss stats and variability concerning rate of increase of sea level. (where incidentally no-one except perhaps wayne is arguing that it’s not increasing, just that there’s a dispute about a possible acceleration).

rederob said:
Again, the standard error can account for entire difference in sea level rate changes quoted by spooly.
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I have no problem with the odd millimeter. But (spooly) you introduced a 20% change in rates
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Comparing a 5 year trend (average) to a 10 year trend is not particularly clever and, as I said, is tantamount to cherrypicking.
It's one thing to make a "simple observation".
It's another to make a valid one.
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In summary, You are the one who introduced the “Antarctic sea ice is increasing, firmly” bit.

and I would agree with NSIDC that your observation that the extent of arctic sea-ice is increasing firmly is not a valid one.
 

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Smurf1976 said:
Done the quiz. 2.8 Earths, most of it due to food and the house.

I'd say it's fairly reasonable overall - I've tried putting in some typical socialist-type answers (eg using more public transport) and it correctly shows that this increases overall environmental impact if all other things are equal.

Looks like I'd better stop eating and camp out in the backyard. I can still use the computer, power etc though since it correctly calculates that, for my location, that's not really an issue.

So, one centrally heated tent with broadband and a vegie garden out the back coming up... :D
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Its not as if we haven't been trying to tell you.

Your warmening data is dodgy, the calculations are dodgy and you do not bring reason into it.

If you guys hadn't been so busy burning carbon with links and youtubes this thread would have been over and done with, two cyclones ago.

gg
 
2020hindsight said:
then again, you are allowed (I trust) to reason something out in public.

anyone ever tell you that you have a nasty streak rob :eek:
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2020hindsight said:
PS btw rob, you posted


I posted


In the subsequent posts you go on to discuss stats and variability concerning rate of increase of sea level. (where incidentally no-one except perhaps wayne is arguing that it’s not increasing, just that there’s a dispute about a possible acceleration).



In summary, You are the one who introduced the “Antarctic sea ice is increasing, firmly” bit.

and I would agree with NSIDC that your observation that the extent of arctic sea-ice is increasing firmly is not a valid one.
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Oh my goodness, surely we don't have the Believers squabbling amongst themselves?

Btw, 2020, on the previous page you declared you had given up coffee.
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain the relevance of this very exciting declaration to the thread?
 
2020hindsight said:
PS btw rob, you posted...
In summary, You are the one who introduced the “Antarctic sea ice is increasing, firmly” bit.

and I would agree with NSIDC that your observation that the extent of arctic (sic) sea-ice is increasing firmly is not a valid one.
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I am careful in what I say.
A 30 year trend of increasing (albeit not statistically significant) sea ice extent remains in place, and is corroborated by the below table:
 

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Julia said:
Oh my goodness, surely we don't have the Believers squabbling amongst themselves?
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The difference between Rederob and 2020 lies in Rob's statement "I am careful in what I say."

2020's mission in life is to spread his wisdom;) over as many threads as possible. There aren't enough hours in the day for him to verify all his stuff. So he uses the scattergun approach, sacrificing accuracy for volume. On this thread he is essentially an alarmist.

Rederob on the other hand is much more methodical in his approach.
 
The usual games went on in the Australian power industry with the recent hot weather. Inefficient running, burning up oil (literally) and belching out CO2. All done in order to send prices to the moon during the warm weather and thus make a profit.

Meanwhile, the government keeps reminding me to not waste the power being so inefficiently produced. Hmm...:banghead:
 
Calliope said:
The difference between Rederob and 2020 lies in Rob's statement "I am careful in what I say."

2020's mission in life is to spread his wisdom;) over as many threads as possible. There aren't enough hours in the day for him to verify all his stuff. So he uses the scattergun approach, sacrificing accuracy for volume. On this thread he is essentially an alarmist.

Rederob on the other hand is much more methodical in his approach.
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Ah yes maybe, but, 2020 is still Premier Division and most of the rest are good sides indeed, however, all Division 3.
 
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