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Internet Filtering: Australia heads further towards totalitarianism

Well I never thought I'd be saying this, but well done Bob Brown and the Greens. I can't say I agree with too many of his previous ideas, but this time he's very much the voice of reason IMO.

Greens could block plans for internet filter

http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,24703499-5014239,00.html
If the Libs were to vote with the government, would there still be the need for the Greens' vote to get the legislation through?
So far the Libs are uncommitted but seem to be veering towards voting against.
 
There are 76 senate seats. Labor holds 32, Coalition 37, Greens 5, Family First 1 and Independent 1.

Therefore Labor needs the cooperation of all non-Coalition senators to have a majority.
 
Yes, I get that, White Crane, but my question was if the Coalition supported the legislation, then wouldn't the votes of the minor parties be unnecessary?
 
Yes, I get that, White Crane, but my question was if the Coalition supported the legislation, then wouldn't the votes of the minor parties be unnecessary?

Correct. I wrote to my federal coalition member to find out what the coalition's policy is in regards to the Internet filtering as I have heard nothing from them in the media on this topic.

He was very non committal about the whole thing. Reading between the lines it seems the Coalition is hoping the filtering scheme dies due to cost and lack of industry support. Hence they won't have to take a stand on the topic. I'm guessing that while they don't like the idea of govt big brother censorship, they also are keen to keep the right wing religious groups on their side, hence don't want to come out against the filter too early.
 
Correct. I wrote to my federal coalition member to find out what the coalition's policy is in regards to the Internet filtering as I have heard nothing from them in the media on this topic.

He was very non committal about the whole thing. Reading between the lines it seems the Coalition is hoping the filtering scheme dies due to cost and lack of industry support. Hence they won't have to take a stand on the topic. I'm guessing that while they don't like the idea of govt big brother censorship, they also are keen to keep the right wing religious groups on their side, hence don't want to come out against the filter too early.
Thanks, mythos. I had the same impression from a presumably similar response from the Coalition. I suspect the whole thing may well die a quiet death, if necessary justified on the basis of reduced internet speeds, so as to keep the religious right quiet. Thus the government will have been seen to be attempting to protect children, whilst actually not incurring the ire of the general population.
 
So who is attending the rally saturday week. I will be there, first time I've protested against anything so should be interesting.

Found this Hitler quote that fits in nicely

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolf Hitler
 
So who is attending the rally saturday week. I will be there, first time I've protested against anything so should be interesting.

Found this Hitler quote that fits in nicely

[size=+1]"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolf Hitler[/size]

Obviously this Hitler dude was a prophet and seer?

:cool:
 
I received the following today, in response to an email sent to the Minister.

Internet filtering
Thank you for your correspondence concerning internet service provider (ISP) filtering.
I appreciate your interest in this important issue.
I am aware that the issue of ISP filtering has attracted criticism from people who are concerned that it will lead to censorship of the internet.
Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in a democratic society. For many years however, most Australians have accepted that there is some material which is not acceptable, particularly for children.
The genesis of this is in civil society where social conflict is governed by the imposition of rules that restrain citizens from harming one another and society as a whole accepts that the public interest requires that those rules are enforced.
This is why we have the National Classification Scheme (the Scheme) for classifying films, computer games, and publications. Under the Scheme, it is illegal to distribute, sell or make available for hire material that is classified Refused Classification (RC).
The internet is already subject to regulation which prevents ISPs or other internet content providers from hosting prohibited content as defined under the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 within Australia. Prohibited content is determined by reference to the Scheme.
We also have strong criminal laws aimed at preventing people from possessing or distributing material relating to child sexual abuse, including over the internet.
The Australian Government recognises that the internet is an essential tool for all Australian children through which they can exchange information, be entertained, socialise and do school work and research. The ability to use online tools effectively provides both a skill for life and the means to acquire new skills.
Cyber-safety commitment
The Government has committed $125.8 million over the next four years to a comprehensive range of cyber-safety measures, including law enforcement, filtering and education. Measures include:
• Expansion of the Australian Federal Police (AFP) Child Protection Operations Team - funding to detect and investigate online child sex exploitation;
• Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions - funding to help deal with the increased activity resulting from the work of the AFP to ensure that prosecutions are handled quickly;
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• ISP-level filtering - funding to develop and implement ISP filtering, including undertaking a real world ‘live’ pilot;
• Education activities - funding to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to implement a comprehensive range of education activities;
• Websites / Online helpline - funding to ACMA to improve current government cyber-safety website resources and to make them easier for parents to use, and to provide up-to-date information. ACMA will also develop a children’s cyber-safety website to provide information specifically for children, and improve the online helpline to provide a quick and easy way for children to report online incidents that cause them concern;
• Consultative Working Group - funding for an expanded Consultative Working Group. This group will consider the broad range of cyber-safety issues and advise the Government, to ensure properly developed and targeted policy initiatives;
• Youth Advisory Group - funding for a Youth Advisory Group which will provide advice to the Consultative Working Group on cyber-safety issues from a young person’s perspective; and
• Research - funding for ongoing research into the changing digital environment to identify issues and target future policy and funding.
International cooperation in regard to online safety is crucial. The Government is pursuing an international agenda for collaborative action on cyber-safety. Progress on this was made through my recent engagement at the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) forum in Seoul in June 2008. The Seoul Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy states that participating economies agree to ‘Ensure a trusted Internet-based environment which offers protection to individuals, especially minors and other vulnerable groups’.
Education
The above initiatives will tackle the issue of cyber-safety from a number of directions. More importantly, this approach is based on the key role parents and carers have in the online safety of children, and provides them with the necessary information to assist with this task.
In particular, ACMA’s Outreach program has been expanded to provide additional general cyber-safety awareness presentations to teachers, parents and students which highlight the key issues and strategies to minimise potential online risks. The program will also include professional development on online safety issues for existing and trainee school teachers.
ISP filtering
A part of the Government’s plan is to examine the introduction of ISP-level filtering.
The Government’s policy will be developed through an informed and considered approach, including industry consultation and close examination of overseas models to assess their suitability for Australia.
Filtering technologies have been adopted by ISPs in a number of countries including the United Kingdom, Sweden, Norway and Finland, predominantly to filter child pornography. In these countries ISP filtering has not affected internet performance to a noticeable level.
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Laboratory trial and live pilot
ACMA has completed a laboratory trial of a sample of the available ISP filtering technologies. The trial looked specifically at the effect of a range of filter products on network performance, effectiveness in identifying and blocking illegal content, scope to filter non-web traffic and the ability to customise the filter to the requirements of different end-users.
The laboratory trial indicated that ISP filtering products have developed in their performance and effectiveness since they were last assessed in 2005. The Government is now proceeding with a ‘live’ pilot which will provide valuable information on the effectiveness and efficiency of filters installed in a ‘real world’ ISP network. The live pilot is proceeding in close consultation with the internet industry.
The Government is committed to working closely with the internet industry to address the concerns of network degradation, over and under blocking, circumvention and costs.
These concerns will be carefully considered during the pilot and will further inform the Government’s cyber-safety policy.
The Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (the Department) has prepared material on a list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) regarding ISP filtering. This list is available on the Department’s website at www.dbcde.gov.au/cybersafetyplan.
These FAQs will be updated regularly to provide you with the most up to date information on ISP filtering issues.
ACMA Blacklist
The existing ACMA blacklist is a list of internet web pages which are defined as ‘prohibited’ under Australian legislation. The list has been in place since 2000 and currently contains around 1300 URLs.
ACMA has also negotiated agreement with the UK Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) facilitating access to the IWF’s list of child abuse image URLs.
ACMA is also working with the Australian Federal Police to arrange access to the USA National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children list of child abuse image websites.
In consultations with ISPs, concerns have been raised that filtering a blacklist beyond
10 000 URLs may raise network performance issues, depending on the configuration of the filter. The pilot will therefore seek to also test network performance against a test list of
10 000 URLs.
This will be a closed network test and will not involve actual customers. The list of 10 000 sites will be developed by the technical organisation assisting the Department on the pilot, which has access to lists of this size. As this test is only being performed to test the impact on network performance against a list of this size, and actual customers are not involved, the make-up of the list is not an issue.
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The ACMA blacklist is developed by complaints by the public about online content to the ACMA hotline. ACMA does not arbitrarily assess and classify content. Online content is assessed in accordance with the National Classification Scheme. The Scheme was established by the Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) Act 1995. Content which is the subject of a complaint is assessed by ACMA and in some instances referred to the National Classification Board for classification.
The ACMA complaints process has been established by the Australian Parliament through the Broadcasting Services Act 1992. If content is found to be prohibited and is hosted in Australia (i.e. located on a computer or server in Australia), ACMA will direct the content provider to remove or prevent access to the content. If content is found to be prohibited and is hosted overseas, ACMA must add the material to its blacklist.
ACMA officers and Classification Board members applying the Scheme are highly trained and apply criteria set out in the Scheme’s legislative framework. Further, decisions made by the Classification Board can be reviewed by the Classification Review Board.
The scope of the definition of prohibited content in legislation cannot be expanded without changes to legislation being passed by Parliament.
Thank you for your interest in this matter. I hope this information will be of use.
Yours sincerely
Stephen Conroy
Minister for Broadband,
Communications and the Digital Economy
 
Anti Internet filtering rebels hit the streets
Protests planned across the country
Darren Pauli (Computerworld) 03/12/2008 17:19:00

Opponents to the government's Internet content filtering scheme will take to the streets in a series of protests planned in Australia's capital cities.

The protests, organised by members from activist groups including the Electronic Freedom Project and Digital Liberty Coalition, will be held at Sydney's Town Hall, Brisbane Square, Melbourne's State Library, Adelaide Parliament House, Perth's Stirling Gardens and at Tasmania's Parliament Lawns.

Participants have created Facebook groups and a YouTube video to rally support and direct activists to the events. Opposition and Greens senators have expressed interest in attending the protests.

The government initiative, funded as part of the government's $125.8 million cyber safety plan, will impose mandatory ISP-level Internet content filtering nation-wide, and will block Web pages detailed in two blacklists operated by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA).

Prescribed filtering technology, short-listed following a July trial, will be tested again by ISPs during the Christmas period.

A spokesperson from one of the country's largest ISPs, who requested anonymity, told Computerworld he expects the filters to fail because the prescribed filtering technology is unsuitable for most networks.

Sources privy to the pilot's EOI documents say the trial will be restricted to 12Mbps ”” a small fraction of ISP network connections ”” which they say will undermine the final test results.

Critics made similar comments after the filtering technology was tested last July against a simulated load of 30 users. They said even the most accurate filter, which returned a 94 percent accuracy rating, would incorrectly block up to 10,000 Web pages out of 1 million.

The trial is expected to use a blacklist of 10,000 banned Web pages, using the rumoured 1300-page blacklist held by the ACMA mixed with dummy data.
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I received the following today, in response to an email sent to the Minister.
etc. etc.

Blah blah blah, pass the buck over to the ACMA, blah blah blah, blame the last government, blah blah blah, we can't change the classification scheme...

No actual details or definitive answers, just the same prepared drivel that they've been saying since they started.

Notice how they skip over/deflect away from certain things? eg. what will actually be on the blacklist?

Morons.
 
Blah blah blah, pass the buck over to the ACMA, blah blah blah, blame the last government, blah blah blah, we can't change the classification scheme...

No actual details or definitive answers, just the same prepared drivel that they've been saying since they started.

Notice how they skip over/deflect away from certain things? eg. what will actually be on the blacklist?

Morons.
Indeed. But isn't it sad that we are so used to their prevarications and falseness that we expect nothing more from them.
 
Save the Internet!

Despite provoking a wrath of criticism from industry and privacy groups, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has pushed ahead with the controversial national Internet content filtering scheme.

If you oppose this, then make sure you login or register an account and sign the petition, to show your opposition to this new scheme.

Legal experts warn that under the government’s proposed mandatory Internet content filtering plan Australians will have no way of finding out what “illegal” content has been censored and blocked online. Concern is widespread over Conroy’s ambiguity regarding exactly what content will or won’t be blocked ”” and who will be able to opt-out of the filtering.

Only last week the mandatory Internet filtering proposal caused a stir when it was revealed a member of his department tried to censor severely critical comments made on the Whirlpool broadband forum by an Internode network engineer regarding the merits of ISP level filtering.

We're going for the loud-and-clear option. Join us, and tell the government that you’re sticking up for the rights of freedom of communication.

And make sure you ask your friends and colleagues to join in, too. Just point them to
http://www.computerworld.com.au/hands_off_the_internet
 

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What window dressing! He won't take any notice of anything that goes against his own view.

Agreed.

His secretary might give him a couple of the least negative views and he will think along the lines of; "bah, who cares what these plebs thinks, i can do what i want..." ;)
 
On the topic of totalitarianism, my local police are adopting Soviet-style ID checks. If you've got nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from the authorities, right? From my local paper:
"SANDGATE Police Officer-In-Charge Senior Sergeant Helen Barnett said police would continue random street checks to identify crime, or those involved in crime. "You can expect at anytime, anywhere, we could ask you who you are, where you are going, and what you are doing."

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There was a news story yesterday argueing that its time for Aus to get a bill of rights, and i totally agree.

Its things like that last post that make me massively uncomfortable, as we dont actually have any legal rights to say no to that sort of thing.
 
Prawn, I imagine the government would be very careful to ensure that any so called Bill of Rights did not mess up their capacity to interfere with your life if they felt the faintest interest in so doing.

Perhaps I'm just sadly lacking in trust.
 
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