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Re: XAO Analysis

If we can finish the week below 3400 then any thing is possible, funny I still cannot smell the fear seems more fur on the bear yet.

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Im currently in each way with index warrents, with more weighted short than long.

Are we going to 3000 - I have no idea, but i hope so. I have to start making some of my losses back

With the way index warrants are priced. I seriously doubt you will.
They are so seriously overpriced its not funny.
 
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too obvious??
 

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A good common sense comment! People have been jumping back into the market too quickly in the past many months fearful they will miss out on the next bull run. It ain't happening.

Bears love eating fat. There was so much fat and hot air built into the market, there's still some left to feast on.
 
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data out in the US tonight:Jobless Claims (wk11/15 , 2008) Nov 20 Leading Indicators (Oct , 2008) Nov 20 Philadelphia Fed Survey (Nov , 2008) Nov 20 EIA Natural Gas Report (wk11/14 , 2008) Nov 20 Money Supply (wk11/10 , 2008)
 
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For those interested I trade MINIS - so there is no margin, just interest.

I love these things - check em out if you have never seen em before. There is a reason why they have become amazingly popular in Europe
 
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too obvious??
With regard to trying to pick possible trends/turning points on charts, why do some use a linear index scale (such as yours) and others use a non-linear index scale (chart two posts above).

The non-linear scale used strikes me as the correct one to use but would obviously show a different result in where your lines intersect the index graph.
 
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Non-linear (or semi log) is better to draw trendlines with; and more representative of the real trend. A 60tick move when the index was 6000 is different to a 60 tick move now.
 
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A repeat of the very long term chart I posted a number of pages back. Click on the attachment for a larger image. The black line is a linear regression line, while the blue line is one I added as an approximate trend base. The red line is a base trend line post '87.

Log scale is more accurate over larger price moves as it indicates percentage changes rather than absolute changes.

GP
 

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30 October:



I hope stoner got rid of those longs, been all downhill since.

And the 10 Oct major bottom actually wasn't.

I suppose he was just a beginner at EW. An amateur you might say.

Or, maybe it was just a disprove .....

 

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omfg.... what's going on out there?
am i in an alternative universe or what?
every morning i wake to check the overnight index... i find myself speechless...

so.... 3200 has been broken... where to now???
 
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omfg.... what's going on out there?
am i in an alternative universe or what?
every morning i wake to check the overnight index... i find myself speechless...

so.... 3200 has been broken... where to now???

Your call.

Heads or tails?
 
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Someone made an earlier comment that second guessing this market was at best, difficult. In my mind it is irrelevant to which camp you belong... technical or fundamental. But I must express my admiration for those who diligently practice their craft picking the bottom ... a real show of courage.

For those who have any equity left and are sitting on the side, maybe they'd like to comment on the sub 3000 hypothesis.

It's Friday, the DJIA finished on a sour note, US car makers are begging for mercy and were embarrased by a smug congressman, the punters suggesting that its time the tall poppies fell on their own swords...hmmm
 
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3200 hasn't been broken?

ah ok... maybe not intraday... but overnight....

PS I do realise that this the XJO quote... but since XAO is at a discount to XJO... XAO would be worse off...
 

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I have attached a chart of the all ords since the 81 lows. For those interested in Elliot, it has behaved quite well. It is a behaviour of wave 5s to retrace to the bottom, usually slightly under of wave 4's. It is also (apparently) likely that on extended wave 5's there is a tendancy to trade back towards closely to the wave 1 highs. Anyway, just something to be aware of if it gets there.
 

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Justthinkin A couple of points to think about


Someone made an earlier comment that second guessing this market was at best, difficult.

This market is just fine nice steady trends, this is as good as it gets as the moves are nice and big. Second guessing any market is gambling not trading.

Gambling is difficult because you are a net loser

In my mind it is irrelevant to which camp you belong... technical or fundamental.

Absolutely spot on if I can just add ideally what ever method you use is good if it keeps you on the right side of the market. Plenty here keep trying to go long in a bear market with a strong down trend.

Would they try to short a bull market in an up trend? Same thing


But I must express my admiration for those who diligently practice their craft picking the bottom ... a real show of courage.

Cannot say I feel the same way as the craft is gambling with a tough of fear and greed worrying about missing out sure way to lose money again not a serious trading method more so emotional foolishness.

For those who have any equity left and are sitting on the side, maybe they'd like to comment on the sub 3000 hypothesis.

Let me help spin the big wheel and plonk it all on red, same thing

Not meaning to be rude Justthinkin just trying to challenge your thinking

Hope it helps
 
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Second guessing any market is gambling not trading.

Gambling is difficult because you are a net loser
That depends on the odds.

True gambling would best be simulated by totally random trades, and over the long term, the odds are in your favour (for long-only trades) as the market has trended up over such time frames.

Some time ago I (and others) did some backtests using completely random trades and the return was not surprisingly in line with the trend over the same time. However, survivorship bias needs to be considered, so the return would likely be somewhat lower than indicated by a backtest (this could be seen by comparing backtests over the all-ords and over the ASX200).

Similar to investing in an index fund I suppose.

GP
 
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Yey - Nice Little Profit. My 13 trade loosing streak is broken

Thanks - for all your help guys, being a fundamental man I suck at tech analysis, so its great to have your thoughts.

Im closing all XAO positions and will review again this arvo, may risk it and go long for tomorrow.

What are the chances you recon, for a small bounce tomorrow ?
 
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