What makes somebody "attractive"?

Wysiwyg · 26 March 2009

kennas said:
I'll take JA off your hands when your done. Cheers!

Nice style Kennas.

alwaysLearning · 26 March 2009

MRC & Co said:
Have to say, that is the biggest BS myth I have ever seen.

I've read studies of this, where they disprooved it.

It showed numerous photos of a copy of somebodies right side, and then perfect symmetry generated on the left side of the face and vice-versa.

And other complete and utter natural photos of them, where naturally, they were not symmetrical at all, many of the times, they were far more attractive and the vast majority of those surveyed thought the same.

If you have a big nose, a tiny chin, puffy cheecks, and a receeding hairline as a man, symmetry of both sides is not going to make it look any better

I read about symmetry and attractiveness in a scientific american mag.

Anyway it probably all comes down to conditioning. There are guys out there that look bad according to symmetry and still get the hottest chicks. This means that there are others factors that make up attraction other than purely looks.

If people are 'conditioned' into thinking that a certain face type is attractive, then obviously if they are shown pictures of faces those that match their conditioning will be attractive to them.

The reason that symmetry is considered to be attractive for most people is that that is what we see in the media all the time from when we are young to when we die.

There have been many studies into symetry and attractiveness. One of the more recent studies applied fib ratios to faces of anjelina jolie and found the ratios to be remarkably accurate.

Anyway it's good to see that there are other studies out there that prove the opposite side as well since that's what good scientific debate is about.

gav · 26 March 2009

Temjin said:
I guess I didn't emphasis on a particular point David DeAngelo made when he created that list. (or the materials he teach)

He said that the list of traits have elements of "attractiveness" universal to all womens regardless of backgrounds and cultures. However, it does not necessary mean any one of them would work at all to a particular woman. Certain combinations may be better than others, and some may even not work at all. So he acknowledges that everyone is unique and are attracted to different things.

Understandable.

Temjin said:
Thus, there is no "fixed" formulas on which list of the traits you need to possess in order to better "attract" a women. The more you have, the better chance you have from the "pack" of man. You would only focus on what has worked for you so far and leverage on the strength.

If being confident and cocky works in attracting women for you, then continue to be so.

When I was "arrogant/cocky", it was only for a short time and due to being in a not very nice state of mind after a bad break up. I'm not like that, and would never be anything but myself if trying to impress "Miss Right". No point pretending you are something you are not. It worked for me, been with her nearly 2yrs and never been happier

alwaysLearning · 26 March 2009

gav said:
Understandable.

When I was "arrogant/cocky", it was only for a short time and due to being in a not very nice state of mind after a bad break up. I'm not like that, and would never be anything but myself if trying to impress "Miss Right". No point pretending you are something you are not. It worked for me, been with her nearly 2yrs and never been happier

Being cocky funny works because you are operating from a different frame from what most women are used to.

Usually women see a guy who is trying to 'impress her' etc. This puts the guy on the back foot and is perceived to be weak.

The guy who is confident and a little cocky/funny is a breath of fresh air. All of a sudden SHE needs to find a way to impress YOU. So the frame is completely different.

But women can smell fake confidence a mile away if you are putting on an 'act'.

MrBurns · 26 March 2009

=gav;413736]No point pretending you are something you are not.

Correct, you might like a girl and go all out to get her by being what you think she likes, it all comes undone in the end......any wonder.

Julia · 26 March 2009

Most of this thread seems to be about what you blokes consider attractive in women. Haven't noticed too many of you wondering what women find attractive in men!!

Thought you might like to know about an item on ABC Radio this evening where a "scientific test" was carried out as follows:

A number of women were shown a photograph of a bloke sitting in a very upmarket car and asked if they thought he was attractive.
They all agreed that he was very attractive indeed.

Some time later they were shown a photograph of the very same bloke sitting in a beat up old car and again asked if they thought this man was attractive.
None of the women thought he was attractive.

You may draw your own conclusions.

Garpal Gumnut · 26 March 2009

Julia said:
Most of this thread seems to be about what you blokes consider attractive in women. Haven't noticed too many of you wondering what women find attractive in men!!

Thought you might like to know about an item on ABC Radio this evening where a "scientific test" was carried out as follows:

A number of women were shown a photograph of a bloke sitting in a very upmarket car and asked if they thought he was attractive.
They all agreed that he was very attractive indeed.

Some time later they were shown a photograph of the very same bloke sitting in a beat up old car and again asked if they thought this man was attractive.
None of the women thought he was attractive.

You may draw your own conclusions.

My conclusion is that women are very sensible at evaluating mates, but often come undone by the presentation of males, thus often make bad choices.

However it all comes down to dna and as long as it continues to mingle and reproduce it is of little consequence.

gg

Temjin · 26 March 2009

gav said:
When I was "arrogant/cocky", it was only for a short time and due to being in a not very nice state of mind after a bad break up. I'm not like that, and would never be anything but myself if trying to impress "Miss Right". No point pretending you are something you are not. It worked for me, been with her nearly 2yrs and never been happier

Agree, I don't recommend anyone to force themselves in order to inherit those traits. However, slowly trying to pick them up as a habit would be more probable over time.

I remember when I was a needy, not-so-confidence guy back in university who was trying my best to impress girls to no availability. It was only when I came across to learn from the pros till I start to make significant changes to myself, both habits and the mindset. Being more confidence and less needy was my major goal, and become easier and easier as my network of friends has become predominately full of females.

It's the same goes for being "cocky & funny". I no longer feel the need to impress any girls at all, or be nice to them. In a way, I don't give a crap what they think of me. I just do what I want to do and say what I want to say. I get to the stage where I can feel a little sorry to guys who try their very best to impress a particular gal and still wonder why they aren't getting the result. For example, in facebook/myspace, you have guys who send comments to another gal profile on a photo taken together explaining how lucky they were or how pretty you were, etc. I simply shake my heads with these guys...they really need to get a clue!

alwaysLearning said:
Being cocky funny works because you are operating from a different frame from what most women are used to.

Usually women see a guy who is trying to 'impress her' etc. This puts the guy on the back foot and is perceived to be weak.

The guy who is confident and a little cocky/funny is a breath of fresh air. All of a sudden SHE needs to find a way to impress YOU. So the frame is completely different.

But women can smell fake confidence a mile away if you are putting on an 'act'.

Spot on!

I agree with the last part that women have a natural biological radar to detect "BSing" and "needy behaviours" from a trillion miles away. Guys are simply too obvious in their intention.

alwaysLearning · 26 March 2009

Julia said:
Most of this thread seems to be about what you blokes consider attractive in women. Haven't noticed too many of you wondering what women find attractive in men!!

Thought you might like to know about an item on ABC Radio this evening where a "scientific test" was carried out as follows:

A number of women were shown a photograph of a bloke sitting in a very upmarket car and asked if they thought he was attractive.
They all agreed that he was very attractive indeed.

Some time later they were shown a photograph of the very same bloke sitting in a beat up old car and again asked if they thought this man was attractive.
None of the women thought he was attractive.

You may draw your own conclusions.

Ohhh lol. That's some interesting research though hahahaha......

edit: I wonder what a typical feminist would say about that study?

insider · 27 March 2009

Julia said:
Most of this thread seems to be about what you blokes consider attractive in women. Haven't noticed too many of you wondering what women find attractive in men!!

Thought you might like to know about an item on ABC Radio this evening where a "scientific test" was carried out as follows:

A number of women were shown a photograph of a bloke sitting in a very upmarket car and asked if they thought he was attractive.
They all agreed that he was very attractive indeed.

Some time later they were shown a photograph of the very same bloke sitting in a beat up old car and again asked if they thought this man was attractive.
None of the women thought he was attractive.

You may draw your own conclusions.

What the study forgot to show was the same guy in a ute, a singlet and a tool belt... "HmmmHmmm better than a Bentley" they'd say...

Girls love active guys... Remember you are targetting their arch types...

insider · 27 March 2009

Temjin said:
I agree with the last part that women have a natural biological radar to detect "BSing" and "needy behaviours" from a trillion miles away. Guys are simply too obvious in their intention.

I have come to realize that most women are full of crap themselves so their opinion of me no longer matters... I do and feel what I like now... I was stuck at this belief for a long time... I don't act needy by the way...

All this pickup material is good to set you off in the right direction but you need to practise just being a good person... Talking to strangers is really really important... That's something David Deangelo doesn't talk about... You need to talk and be friendly to the people behind the counter at the food court for example... People around you will notice you getting better treatment and think "wow who is that?" Works a charm for me...

Just tonight a dude who works at a burger joint just invited me to go rock climbing... Does the person who makes your sandwiches ask you out to do cool things? Then you need to get to know them if they don't...

insider · 27 March 2009

Here is a link to a thread I made up about cars and chicks

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6118

MRC & Co · 27 March 2009

Looks like a few too many here have been reading that junk book called 'the game' written by a few no hopers I once met many years before they became 'famous PUAs' LOL, what a joke they are, with these 'cocky and funny' comments.

MrBurns · 27 March 2009

It's a hard world -

Temjin · 27 March 2009

MRC & Co said:
Looks like a few too many here have been reading that junk book called 'the game' written by a few no hopers I once met many years before they became 'famous PUAs' LOL, what a joke they are, with these 'cocky and funny' comments.

Perhaps you should release a book that could explain this stuff better than they are?

It works for me and now I am in a really good relationship.

nunthewiser · 27 March 2009

What makes somebody "attractive"?

ME

Wysiwyg · 27 March 2009

nunthewiser said:
What makes somebody "attractive"?

ME

Sheesh nun, you`re getting a bit full of yourself again.

nunthewiser · 27 March 2009

Wysiwyg said:
Sheesh nun, you`re getting a bit full of youself again.

um ....... yes

Julia · 27 March 2009

nunthewiser said:
What makes somebody "attractive"?

ME

I thought the convent was supposed to breed modesty???

nunthewiser · 27 March 2009

Julia said:
I thought the convent was supposed to breed modesty???

....... my misplaced humour can be read 2 ways

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