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Ok I have no problem with calling them religious, if you like. But using this definition everyone becomes religious, including the hedonist. Tell me your beliefs and I will tell you your religion.
Hence to use this definition and and then say 90% of all wars are started by religions is firstly meaningless, as under this definition everyone is religious, and secondly it is purposely misleading, as most people reading the statement, associate religion with the major organised religions, usually to do with God (hence your "imaginary friend" comment). So, read in context, you take a swipe at religion and "imaginary friends" which to all readers the meaning is plain, and then you claim a different definition of religion, which is not what most reasonable people would use on reading your comments.
Thanks Julia,
This pretty much shows I was using the term correctly. Secular humanists follow a worldview of Naturalism and refer to themselves as non-religious or non-theist.
Yes, well said...
silv
so I referred to the McQ dictionary definition which you appeared either unwilling or unable to accept
in actual fact, the nazis did not believe in any form of morality or ethical conduct ala Nietzsche, where morality and ethics is a key component of humanism, even stated above. There is no way the Nazis or Communists were secular humanists. You can't tell me that these movements were accepted on anything other than faith.
Religions do not like the individual thinker. hey do not like the deep questions.
They burned individuals at the stake even.
The Nazis and communists were absolutely consistent in their ethics and morality based on their worldview.
Communists are secular humanists, they totally subscribe to the Naturalistic worldview.
True, there is faith involved, but this is true in every philosophy. Humans, being finite, starting with only themselves have no absolute or point of reference, hence nothing can ever be known absolutely and hence is held by faith. Your beliefs are just as much (I would argue far more) a position of faith, than say the Christian worldview.
I have no problem with the definition as I've stated a few times. My problem is that it renders the comment about wars being started by religions as meaningless as everyone has this "religion", and since it was used in the same sentence as imaginary friends, it is seems obvious from the context to be talking about God/god religions. Surely you can concede this?
I'll just leave it at bahahahahahahaha.
Because there is no point in arguing with religious types when it gets to this point. I can sit here and say you are blatantly incorrect, but you know, religion creates delusion, and that's where this argument is currently.
God is the indescribable, uncreated, self existent, eternal all knowing source of all reality and being.
The deeper the hellish love that comes out in the temptation experience, the more we are shocked and challenged to approve or disapprove, and to go along or to fight like hell to resist it. This is a subjective experience. In fact, as revealed in the Writings, we have zero power to oppose the furious hells attacking us, grabbing hold of us, wanting desperately to make us part of them.
They succeed if we give in, stop resisting, and let ourselves enjoy the evil, and finally loving it so that we look for it again, anticipate it, and are willing to abuse self and others in order to keep getting it. But when we resist in the Name of God, we are given as-if our own power to resist, and desist, and finally to hold the experience in aversion and disgust.
.The Writings confirm the fact that mental traits are inherited as well as learned. All inherited mental traits can be changed by self-modification. The earliest generations on this earth inherited heavenly or altruistic traits until aberrant individuals introduced negative loves by inverting their inherited positive traits.
When they passed into the world of spirits they were segregated from the others in their heavenly mental states. The hells were thus created. After many generations and succeeding civilizations the negative traits became so predominant that a life of hell on earth was established--crimes, wars, sicknesses, famines, abuse of women and children, deception, discrimination, injustice, and so on, all of which are familiar to us today
This is true by observation and experience and most definately a fact.Very good.The Writings confirm the fact that mental traits are inherited as well as learned.
The key word here being can.Once again by observation and experience it is known that mental traits are not changed and many of us are habitual and repetitive with a deep seated personality that wants to change but can`t.The tracks to the source are cut deep.All inherited mental traits can be changed by self-modification.
Now to the bit that leaps ahead of itself in one unfounded sentence.At some point in history man started thinking differently according to these words above.Where did these negative loves come from and more to the point how were the positive ones inverted.Man is as animal in survival traits (indeed all life) so i can say that these "earliest generations" also were aberrant and thus there was no change.The earliest generations on this earth inherited heavenly or altruistic traits until aberrant individuals introduced negative loves by inverting their inherited positive traits.
Again here this is imagining.A thought that evokes fear and can be used for control and powerWhen they passed into the world of spirits they were segregated from the others in their heavenly mental states. The hells were thus created.
And here we have the present situation.Not unlike the past situation except there are more people on the Earth now.There were no aberrant individuals as the cause.It has always been.Good day.After many generations and succeeding civilizations the negative traits became so predominant that a life of hell on earth was established--crimes, wars, sicknesses, famines, abuse of women and children, deception, discrimination, injustice, and so on, all of which are familiar to us today.
You must come away to some lonely place all by yourselves and rest awhile.’ Mark 6.31
The Abbey, a Compass special presentation, puts monastic life to the test in this extraordinary three-part series to air on ABC TV from Sunday, October 14 at 9.30pm.
The Abbey follows five ordinary Australian women as they spend 33 days and nights living the life of an enclosed Benedictine nun. Never before has the outside world entered the cloisters of the Abbey, until they allowed the ABC unprecedented access within their monastery walls.
From very different backgrounds, with very different views about spirituality, these women will leave behind the hurly-burly of modern day life to embark upon a search for meaning, God and the self behind the walls of the enclosed order.
Will our five women cope with the 4am wake-up calls, the seven daily visits to the Abbey church, and the 1500-year-old Benedictine Rule of Silence, Obedience and Renunciation?
Running the Abbey is the Mother Abbess, however it’s the lovable and always effervescent Sister Hilda who facilitates the experiment, ensuring each of the women lives by the set day-to-day schedule, follows the Rule and fulfils her chores such as cooking, cleaning, farm work and craft-making. Sister Hilda, along with the other Sister mentors, also offers encouragement, wisdom, support and guidance in order to assist the women’s journey of self-discovery.
As the five women enter the Abbey, it’s 57-year-old Robyn from Queensland’s Gold Coast who almost immediately struggles with the rule of Renunciation. She’s not sure how she’ll cope without her hair dryer. Tassie-born Lyn, who is just about to turn 50, isn’t used to confronting her emotions. Will Hilda, her Sister-mentor, successfully guide her feelings out of their dark hiding place and bring her true self to the fore?
Budding musician Tusa is chatty and full of energy. At only 23 years of age, this Brisbane gal has no place for God in her life, but she has entered the Abbey not knowing which way her life is headed, and is searching for some much-needed direction. 30-year-old Tammy, all the way from Perth, is influenced by everything. Will she be able to give up her guidance cards, healing crystals and incense burning for God? Tammy has a few secrets that she will reveal during the 33 days, opening up the flood-gates of emotion.
40-year-old Meg is leaving country Victoria for a much-needed sojourn at the Abbey. As a busy mum with little spare time on her hands, Meg feels life has dealt her a challenging hand giving birth to a daughter with a severe genetic disorder. She has some big questions for God. Will the Abbey experience put Meg at peace with what she wonders is her life purpose?
With five Australian women all looking for a life-changing experience, what can happen at the Abbey is a chance to explore life’s biggest questions, but what actually does happen will intrigue you.
The last post was in April.*sigh*
Just once I'd like to visit a web forum and NOT see pages of drivel devoted to this topic.
Can't you people ever grow out of having an invisible friend?
@ Admin - is there an ignore function on threads?
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