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I'm (kinda) happy to go with the majority, but on a major transformational issue like this, i just dont see how they can implement it without consulting the population.
Because governments make decisions all the time which many people don't like or agree with. How could you run a country if every policy decision made had to pass the approval of all the voters immediately?
Oh FFS, why can't you take my post at face value? Do you always regard the truth as spin?You should be working for the government (um, perhaps you are?) with this level of spin!!!
If the government had managed its finances properly, it would have been able to provide flood assistance without imposing an additional levy on the population, fergawdsake!
How on earth can you suggest we should regard the end point of this levy as some sort of amelioration of the impost of the carbon tax?
What about after the flood levy is removed?We will be down $700 pa according to that calculator. Typical.
What about after the flood levy is removed?
... JH was just as disingenous in the '98 election campaign about the GST being "dead and buried" as JG has been....
LABOR has set up secret carbon price spin unit to help it sell its deeply unpopular carbon tax.
The carbon price implementation team is staffed by five Labor operatives, reporting directly to Climate Change Minister Greg Combet.
The unit's senior adviser-level head earns up to $170,000 a year, while its four adviser-level staffers draw salaries of up to $115,000.
Because governments make decisions all the time which many people don't like or agree with. How could you run a country if every policy decision made had to pass the approval of all the voters immediately?
We will be down $700 pa according to that calculator. Typical.
Rubbish.
JH took his GST backflip to the people by way of election.
I was previously criticised by Julia for using spin when all I did was point out a fact, but by comparison the overwhelming amount of negative spin that consists of fearmongering, wild accusations and utter bullsh!t around here seems to be acceptable! :screwy:So, the flood levy is to get people being used to not having some money they've earned?
That's despicable. Working Aussies are already paying taxes and none of this pinching more money from their wallets was necessary and democracy has not been honoured, imo.
Gillard could have cut some of the wasteful spending to pay for the flood damage, but it looks like it was part of the conditioning plan, now that you've pointed it out.
Shame on the lack of democracy.
I was previously criticised by Julia for using spin when all I did was point out a fact, but by comparison the overwhelming amount of negative spin that consists of fearmongering, wild accusations and utter bullsh!t around here seems to be acceptable! :screwy:
sails, you have come to the conclusion that the flood levy was used as a conditioning plan. That's what I call despicable. :disgust:
...sails, you have come to the conclusion that the flood levy was used as a conditioning plan. That's what I call despicable. :disgust:
Like!As has been stated by others...this forum is dominated by the right, some further right than others, some you can talk sense to, most not....i highly recommend the ignore function as an alternative to banging your head against the brick wall of fear, misinformation and negative spin of the ASF right and its lackeys.
I never suggested conditioning!!!! if you came to the wrong conclusion, well, I can't help that. It was never meant to be as such.
Everyone seems to think that they will be x amount of $ worse off, but they continually fail to realise how much they will save by no longer having to pay the flood levy.
Forget about politics; it's just mathematics!!!!!!!!!
Like!
If nothing else, I can have fun attempting to bring a bit of balance to this place. All the pigeon holed right wing, white collar shiny bum, money hungry Chicken Littles around here must think it is absolutely abhorrent that a blue collar left leaning bloke has actually got enough brains to consistently make money out of shares, and spoil their party to boot!
Of course that wouldn't be practical. But you're totally ignoring the essential fact that Gillard stated categorically during the election campaign that there would be "No Carbon Tax under the government I lead", and many people voted for her on that basis. Then, as we all know, she did a complete about turn on the instruction of the Greens who made it a condition of letting her govern, and decided we would have a carbon tax.Because governments make decisions all the time which many people don't like or agree with. How could you run a country if every policy decision made had to pass the approval of all the voters immediately?
Good to see you've subsequently corrected yourself here, McLovin. If Ms Gillard had gone to an election with the carbon tax, and received electorate endorsement for it, then those of us who don't want it would just have to suck it up.Meh, every government does it, that's the way the system works. The idea is to do it early enough in the term that by the time the next election comes around the population has been pork barreled into submission or just doesn't remember it. JH was just as disingenous in the '98 election campaign about the GST being "dead and buried" as JG has been. Of course at least with JH you kind of had some idea what he stood for rather than the current PM who just flaps in the breeze of focus group opinion.
Because you have put forward spin.Oh FFS, why can't you take my post at face value? Do you always regard the truth as spin?
No. Not agreed at all.At the end of the day it is a matter of dollars and cents in your pocket, agreed?
This is where you completely miss the point made by many, i.e. that the whole carbon tax is a political move to satisfy the Greens. Ms Gillard before the election was part of the ousting of Kevin Rudd on the basis that the proposed ETS should be shelved indefinitely.Forget about politics; it's just mathematics!!!!!!!!!
As has been stated by others...this forum is dominated by the right, some further right than others, some you can talk sense to, most not....i highly recommend the ignore function as an alternative to banging your head against the brick wall of fear, misinformation and negative spin of the ASF right and its lackeys.
Everyone aye!Everyone seems to think that they will be x amount of $ worse off, but they continually fail to realise how much they will save by no longer having to pay the flood levy.
Forget about politics; it's just mathematics!!!!!!!!!
What about as the rate goes up and up and and it's expanded, for example, to include fuel on heavy transport ?$303 per year better off for me.
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