What are we teaching our children?

[startrader]

The indoctrination of children in our schools is starting to get results. In yesterday's Newspoll;

Isn't it just pathetic!

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Aren’t you at uni studying engineering?
Maybe I misread your first posts

No, I finished at the end of last year.

FOUND IT !! Your inability to listen to the other side is your downfall.

First of all; you said with a politician - you never made any mention of sides, and I did not assume any side. I don't care what "side" a politician belongs to, I do not regard them as having a great deal to say. There are only few rare exceptions, but in general a politician will never even be able to speak the truth.

But yet your opinion is formulated and chrystalline in it's clarity with no correspondence that can be entered into?

This seems like a pretty straightforward matter to me.

You don't have to like them or their political agendas. But it would seem your predefined conceptions are leaning towards the Brown/Green models. Not that this is a bad thing but like most barbiturates it is best done in moderation.

It is simply true to say the Greens most so represent a lot of my opinions about how the country should be ran, so I would align myself closer to them than other parties.

What do you mean good in moderation - are you referring to being neutral in regards to party lines? Do you suggest everyone should join a party and automatically subscribe themselves to all of their agendas without having a free thought in their mind to decide for themselves what is the correct course of action in every situation and the best way to deal with every problem regardless of said party lines?

PULLEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZ not with religion as well??

Intelligent Design has nothing to do with religion. People who assume an intelligent maker has to be a religious figure of any sort probably doom themselves to an incapability of even understanding the theories behind it.

Again, not saying I'm a supporter of ID, however to draw the parallel, I would assign it more validity than any anti global warming theories.

Religious fundamentalists in America want this fake science to be taught in schools.

There is no such thing as fake science. There are scientific theories (evolution and intelligent design being among them). Some of these theories have been proven as facts. A simple example is e=mc^2.

There should never be a problem with teaching scientific theory, so long as it is made clear that it is a theory and not proven fact. All people should have their minds open to every possibility, not just mainstream business like the standard model - otherwise there will never be any significant scientific progress for the human race.

This is getting rather off topic though.

The indoctrination of children in our schools is starting to get results. In yesterday's Newspoll;

Young voters always majority vote for parties which have long-term policies which benefit them the most - this is absolutely nothing new.

Why would a young person vote for someone who wanted to screw over the country in the long term in order to accommodate a very short-term industry (ie. mining) as opposed to someone who has a long-term vision for the country (ie. NBN, action on global warming, taxing our short-term mining boom to lengthen the prosperity it brings).

Any logically thinking young person will vote for ALP/Greens, because they represent the best long-term dividend for their generation.

 

[drsmith]

Intelligent Design has nothing to do with religion. People who assume an intelligent maker has to be a religious figure of any sort probably doom themselves to an incapability of even understanding the theories behind it.

Hmmmm,

You still need more sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

All of its leading proponents are associated with the Discovery Institute, a politically conservative think tank, and believe the designer to be the Christian God.

 

[Calliope]

Any logically thinking young person will vote for ALP/Greens, because they represent the best long-term dividend for their generation.

This sort of garbage is obviously a product of your indoctrination. Brainwashed people don't think logically.

 

[medicowallet]

Why would a young person vote for someone who wanted to screw over the country in the long term in order to accommodate a very short-term industry (ie. mining) as opposed to someone who has a long-term vision for the country (ie. NBN, action on global warming, taxing our short-term mining boom to lengthen the prosperity it brings).

Any logically thinking young person will vote for ALP/Greens, because they represent the best long-term dividend for their generation.

Because people like me let them know what happens in the REAL world, not high school and university world.

I am talking about the idealistic nonsense that the ALP is puking out of its pathetic gob. The ideals to fix problems that don't exist and to TAX us to buggery.

Anyone with ANY self motivation and drive would have to be crazy to vote ALP, but if you are someone who benefits from wealth distribution, then clearly, go ahead.

I would post how giving incentives to people to make them work harder and smarter helps EVERYONE, but I think it would be falling on deaf ears.

In short, labor policies are POOR for the long term, and good for the short term beneficiaries.

PS The NBN is the biggest pile of dung policy and waste of $50 billion I have EVER seen. Ports and rail and incentives to innovative manufacturing would have been much better. Then again you can't pirate or download pr0n with coal carting carriages can you?

 

[trainspotter]

Intelligent Design has nothing to do with religion. People who assume an intelligent maker has to be a religious figure of any sort probably doom themselves to an incapability of even understanding the theories behind it.

P.S. You are out of your depth on this one but I agree that you do like to argue moot points.

 

[Julia]

Because people like me let them know what happens in the REAL world, not high school and university world.

MW, I suspect you are entirely wasting your time trying to offer Star..... any sort of objective analysis here.
Only real life experience (something which clearly he has yet to absorb) will bring a sense of reality.

In the meantime, Star.... will hold tight to his socialist beliefs, managing in his idealism to quite ignore the economic chaos being unleashed on a previously flourishing economy, all for virtually no effect in global emissions, and SFA even here in Australia.

 

[wayneL]

MW, I suspect you are entirely wasting your time trying to offer Star..... any sort of objective analysis here.
Only real life experience (something which clearly he has yet to absorb) will bring a sense of reality.

In the meantime, Star.... will hold tight to his socialist beliefs, managing in his idealism to quite ignore the economic chaos being unleashed on a previously flourishing economy, all for virtually no effect in global emissions, and SFA even here in Australia.

It will take Starpfffft decades to get past his indoctrination IMO.

If ever.

 

[trainspotter]

After reading WayneL response I had to go and change my chagrin. Honestly I have not laughed as much for a very long time.

Ricky Nelson - Poor Little Fool springs to mind.

I especially enjoyed the Pffffffft !!

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Mothers need to be answerable.

gg

 

[Julia]

Mothers need to be answerable.

gg

Why mothers? What about fathers?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Why mothers? What about fathers?

The hand that rocks the cradle.

Although I agree fathers should be more involved, with their sons, particularly.

gg

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Hmmmm,

You still need more sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

Proponents do not equate the theory. I did not say the leading proponents of IT have nothing to do with religion.

This sort of garbage is obviously a product of your indoctrination. Brainwashed people don't think logically.

There we go with the brainwashing and indoctrination again. Your inability to accept opposing views is quite extraordinary

I am talking about the idealistic nonsense that the ALP is puking out of its pathetic gob. The ideals to fix problems that don't exist and to TAX us to buggery.

Ideals are good. I would much rather a party with ideals than one without.

Anyone with ANY self motivation and drive would have to be crazy to vote ALP, but if you are someone who benefits from wealth distribution, then clearly, go ahead.

So your suggestion is to vote based on what end of whatever wealth distribution proposed by the party you're on? That's highly unethical and greedy.

I would post how giving incentives to people to make them work harder and smarter helps EVERYONE, but I think it would be falling on deaf ears.

Please give examples of policies which LIB/NAT coalition is putting forward at the moment which will do this.

I would imagine that ALP/Greens tax reform to raise the minimum tax income is a pretty significant incentive for people to work. What do the LIB/NATs plan which is even better?

In short, labor policies are POOR for the long term, and good for the short term beneficiaries.

I would disagree. ALP/Green policies are excellent for the long term, while LIB/NAB have no long-term policies at all.

PS The NBN is the biggest pile of dung policy and waste of $50 billion I have EVER seen. Ports and rail and incentives to innovative manufacturing would have been much better. Then again you can't pirate or download pr0n with coal carting carriages can you?

Get over the old economy, it's gone. We need to export things once we can no longer export commodities. It is nothing short of idiotic to increase capacity to service mining hoping it will not only continue but get bigger instead of thinking about diversifying our exports to deal with the looming commodity bust (which will leave plenty of spare capacity in our rail and seaport infrastructure).

I will again reference this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-15/paul-keating-attacks-abbott/2795514
I would like to hear your counter-arguments.


I would however agree to high-speed rail connections along the Eastern coast. I say, don't the Greens want this?