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Your sarcasm and proselytising are becoming boring. If we want to be brainwashed we can read The Age and The Guardian for ourselves.
Part of me can appreciate Mr Burns and Agentum's sentiments. Stuff it we would all like to be carefree like the good old days.
Perhaps continuing the same theme we could enjoy our Camels to our lungs content, we could have those great piss ups in the pub on Saturday night, bash a couple of poofs on way out to car and than have drunken drags down St Kilda rd (without those bloody wussy seat belts !!) and show everyone whose boss. And then on Sunday we could knock up some groovy little extension with the ever practical cement sheet. Ah the good old days...
Water is a classic example of using the climate change issue to pursue other agendas. Watering the garden isn't adding much CO2 at all, it's just that in some regions there isn't much water available hence it's a problem. But there's no reason not to have a well watered lawn if you live somewhere that has plenty of water - you're not adding significantly to CO2 emissions by doing so.
Sadly, there seem to be some in the general community that see dead gardens as something we need to accept in order to fight climate change. That's outright nonsense even if we take the CO2 induced warming argument to be totally correct.
Just on AgentM's point,
New (young) shoots growth from trees also absorbs more co2, than old established branches etc, hence there is a good arguement for sustainable logging/cutting of trees as opposed to letting them grow.
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Part of me can appreciate Mr Burns and Agentum's sentiments. Stuff it we would all like to be carefree like the good old days.
Perhaps continuing the same theme we could enjoy our Camels to our lungs content, we could have those great piss ups in the pub on Saturday night, bash a couple of poofs on way out to car and than have drunken drags down St Kilda rd (without those bloody wussy seat belts !!) and show everyone whose boss. And then on Sunday we could knock up some groovy little extension with the ever practical cement sheet. Ah the good old days...
Your sarcasm and proselytising are becoming boring. If we want to be brainwashed we can read The Age and The Guardian for ourselves.
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We're always going to need building materials and some form of fuel. Sensibly harvesting trees and using them instead of steel / concrete for building and instead of coal for fuel makes a lot of sense in terms of sustainability.Just on AgentM's point,
New (young) shoots growth from trees also absorbs more co2, than old established branches etc, hence there is a good arguement for sustainable logging/cutting of trees as opposed to letting them grow.
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As far as brainwashing ? The information from The Age/Guardian comes from a variety of sources. The fact is that in the area of climate change most of the information comes from political bodies which almost universally share the same deeply disturbed views on what is happening and where we are going. It is this near universal political consensus you are disagreeing with not the newspapers. The papers are just the propagandists.(
The "heat island" effect of cities is well documented in Australia and overseas.We have already, measurably altered weather patterns above our major cities. The bigger ones act as massive heat sinks, one of the effects of these heat sinks is more violent electrical storms. Ringing any bells here?
Had a few rather large storm events in the last few years have we maybe?
This is well documented fact by organisations like NASA & our own CSIRO.
Originally Posted by basilio View Post
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As far as brainwashing ? The information from The Age/Guardian comes from a variety of sources. The fact is that in the area of climate change most of the information comes from political bodies ? which almost universally share the same deeply disturbed views on what is happening and where we are going. It is this near universal political consensus ?you are disagreeing with not the newspapers. The papers are just the propagandists.
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The science, being in hypothesis stage, is being strongly argued. You just have to get outside of confirmation bias and see past the ulterior agenda.
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Just can't see or agree with your revision Wayne.
Or in one case where all the pollution built up under the bridge to the point of effectively damming the creek and threatening to flood the two offending industries with their own pollution.Up until the mid 1970's, industry routinely dumped their waste in the local river or lake, which wasn't too good for the fish. It wasn't until people started to get effected by this pollution that we decided this wasn't a good idea.
People will need to turn vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change, according to a leading authority on global warming.
In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said: “Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world’s resources. A vegetarian diet is better.”
Now, over a period of maybe 250 years, we are liberating all the carbon trapped from 100's of million years of plant growth back into the atmosphere.
Finally Calliope, I don't appreciate your nastiness. Let's keep this civil.
You accidently stumbled on the major source of climate change. It's not CO2, it's LAND USE.We have already, measurably altered weather patterns above our major cities. The bigger ones act as massive heat sinks, one of the effects of these heat sinks is more violent electrical storms. Ringing any bells here?
Had a few rather large storm events in the last few years have we maybe?
This is well documented fact by organisations like NASA & our own CSIRO.
So regardless of what anyone here might think, unless you are in their league, when it comes to being able to devise, and interpret complex models and data sets. After spending 30 years of your life dedicated to it... do please pardon me if I don't listen to your "opinion" that global warming "might" not be happening. Hey if anyone here has the scientific credentials to back up their arguments, not some page from Google, please trot them out so we can all actually trust you know what you are talking about.
Rep. Perriello: Coal Fraudster Impersonated Women’s And Seniors’ Groups As Well
The stack of forged letters opposing clean energy reform on behalf of the coal industry is growing. Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA) has revealed that he not only received forgeries purporting to come from black and hispanic groups, but also senior citizen and women’s advocacy organizations as well. Yesterday, Perriello’s office told reporters that in addition to the five NAACP letters and one Creciendo Juntos letter forged on behalf of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity (ACCCE), “two other letters were forged to appear as if they had been sent by the Jefferson Area Board for Aging, a Charlottesville agency, and the American Association of University Women.” Perriello, who cast his vote in favor of the American Clean Energy and Security Act despite this fraud, discussed the scandal on Rachel Maddow:
Obviously, anything like this, where someone is claiming your letterhead and then claiming your position is just outrageous. They also did JABA, the Jefferson Area Board for the Aging, which is one of these great service organizations in our community that helps our seniors. And for them to get dragged into something like this really is, I think, a blow to folks in the area. But it’s also just a turn-off again to these sorts of corporate-lobbying tactics.
Technically it's possible now, financial cost is the problem. Coal at $40 per MWh (operating cost less than half of that for existing plants) is cheaper than alternatives that start around $70 per MWh and go over $100 per MWh when scaled up.Surely a new discovery and invention will emerge to replace the burning of fossil fuels that create electricity. The collective mind is constantly evolving into a more intelligent organism so surely a solution will be discovered.
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