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It appears there is no win for the W.A Government.
The W.A Goverment was going to be shafted by Labor, under Gonski funding, because they spent too much on education.
Now the highest paid teachers in Australia are S###ting in their own nests.lol

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/22228641/almost-100-schools-to-shut-for-strike/

http://det.wa.edu.au/edenews/detcms...s-for-wa-teachers.en?oid=NewsItem-id-12870172

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...d-after-new-deal/story-e6frfku9-1226313681732

Nothing like cannon fodder.

All just my opinions, from watching news reports and forming a personal opinion. I may be wrong, just a chat.
 
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sptrawler said:
Now the highest paid teachers in Australia are S###ting in their own nests.lol
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A belated whinge about last year's state budget ?

Give me strength. :banghead:

There must be an election soon and I think this action will be a negative for the Labor side.
 
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drsmith said:
A belated whinge about last year's state budget ?

Give me strength. :banghead:

There must be an election soon and I think this action will be a negative for the Labor side.
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To myself, it just looks as though there is no point in giving in to them.
12 months ago they negotiated a great deal from Barnett, today they are sh##ting on him.
Just shows, what a waste of time it is, trying to appease those, that have an insatiable want.:1zhelp:IMO

Hope he digs his heels in, and tells them to sod off and teach, rather than run Labor Party agendas. :D IMO
 
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Some fresh ministerial meat for John McGlue on 730 WA tonight.

Clearly nervous but managed to play the questions with a straight bat.
 
If there was not a Senate election upcoming this strike would not be occurring.

Plain & simple.
 
springhill said:
If there was not a Senate election upcoming this strike would not be occurring.

Plain & simple.
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It reminds me of an incident when Ronald Reagan was Governor of California. One of his aides said "what are we going to do about the teachers"

Reagan - "What about the teachers"?

Aide - "They're striking for better pay".

Reagan - "Are they doing a better job"?

Aide - "No".

Reagan - "There's your answer then".
 
I have worked with WA Principals and schools, as a consultant, for some years on a very regular basis including over the past few months during this dispute.

Not for a long time have I had heard a single Principal or teacher complain about or mention their salaries.

There is serious concern, however, about the capacity of schools to deliver quality education programs to children under what is being sold as a reform agenda. Principals are "discouraged" about talking of staffing and funding cuts.... Which is the reality. They are told to talk of a reform child-centred funding formula.

It may be that the State needs to cut costs but they need to be transparent about it.

The cuts will impact very adversely on kids..... In particular those with special needs.

So if you think this is about teacher greed, think again. The staff group most effected are Education Assistants who largely work in early years education and with children with special needs. These EAs work at a minimal wage and many will not strike only because they can't afford to.

Even the education support schools catering for children (aged 4-18) with multiple and severe disabilities are losing staff and are less able to provide quality support.

If the job is so good.... Join up.

Or at least learn. Ignorance or prejudice prevails.

Every Principal I know is currently fretting about determining the best way they can continue to offer adequate, relevant and stimulating learning programs to children. They also worry about how best to support their staff.

Salary is not a consideration in this dispute.
 
As I read it 2 of your 3 links, the ones connected to salary, are from 2012.

How are these connected to the current concerns?




sptrawler said:
It appears there is no win for the W.A Government.
The W.A Goverment was going to be shafted by Labor, under Gonski funding, because they spent too much on education.
Now the highest paid teachers in Australia are S###ting in their own nests.lol

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/22228641/almost-100-schools-to-shut-for-strike/

http://det.wa.edu.au/edenews/detcms...s-for-wa-teachers.en?oid=NewsItem-id-12870172

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...d-after-new-deal/story-e6frfku9-1226313681732

Nothing like cannon fodder.

All just my opinions, from watching news reports and forming a personal opinion. I may be wrong, just a chat.
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Muschu said:
As I read it 2 of your 3 links, the ones connected to salary, are from 2012.

How are these connected to the current concerns?
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You stated that this is about State Governments trying to cut Education funding costs.

Don't you think the teachers wages are a part of the funding model?

Therefore the fact the teachers are the highest paid in the country, does have a bearing.

Also the fact they enact militant action just before elections, makes their sincerity questionable.IMO

It smacks of union manipulation for political mileage, they are becoming monotonous with their predictability, and questionable motives.

As I said, just my opinion, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't hear teachers offering up any sacrifices for the common good.
 
I respect your opinion. I'll just add this:

Of course salaries are a part of the funding model. Who would suggest otherwise? My statement was that, in the current dispute, I have not heard a single teacher or Principal even mention the issue of salary as a concern.

In terms of teachers, education assistants and the current cuts, many jobs have been lost. This has been happening in many industries of course. In this instance a major damage is that reduced staffing impacts on the capacity to support the needs of individual students. Within that I am particularly concerned for children with special needs and those with chronic and multiple disabilities.

You may have unfortunate enough to encounter teachers with lesser commitment. Those I know give of their personal time to a degree that many don't understand or mock at. Many teachers, especially those who work with younger children, spend their own money to supplement the resources for the children they teach.

I am ambivalent about the strike action. Striking staff will lose wages and the government save money. I see this as a personal decision. Many are choosing not to strike.

There is no outcry for salary rises. There is distress about removing funds and bringing disadvantage to kids. This distress is common irrespective of union membership.

I'll leave it there.






sptrawler said:
You stated that this is about State Governments trying to cut Education funding costs.

Don't you think the teachers wages are a part of the funding model?

Therefore the fact the teachers are the highest paid in the country, does have a bearing.

Also the fact they enact militant action just before elections, makes their sincerity questionable.IMO

It smacks of union manipulation for political mileage, they are becoming monotonous with their predictability, and questionable motives.

As I said, just my opinion, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't hear teachers offering up any sacrifices for the common good.
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I think that in relation to issues that are not related to direct working conditions that protest action should not include striking during the school term.

The school holidays are an alternative for protest action as is the way individuals vote at the ballot box.
 
Cripes ... What narrow thinking. Teacher salaries are adjusted to their "working weeks" and distributed over 52 weeks.

Their fantastic salaries can be Googled.

And of course "anyone can teach". And anyone can criticise.

The percentage of teachers with Masters Degrees and Doctorates is rapidly growing with no financial recompense. Check the stats on teacher retention rather than shooting from the hip.

Have you any idea of what most teachers and Principals do with far more than one week of their holidays?

So: Let's tell them all that they are selfish and suggest they do something more meaningful than educating our children. Maybe charities will take over.

Of course cuts need to occur but, any any level of intelligence, please don't disguise this as reform... And keep kids first.

I don't know what you guys do for a living, but would hope not to denigrate it.... I'd only suggest that your thinking on this issue could possibly be narrow.

As for a political stance I have never considered this but may contact the Sex Party for their view on educating our children in an increasingly complex world.








sptrawler said:
Apparently not, drsmith, it is all about the kids.

Shame the teachers couldn't have a rally to call for longer school terms, and maybe give up one weeks annual leave.
Now that would help the kids.

OMG, shock horror, wash your mouth out, what am I thinking of.
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Cripes!!, all I was saying, was if it's not about money and only providing a better outcome for our kids.

Maybe a reduction from the 10 to 12 weeks annual leave, and an increase in classroom time would be most beneficial.
I know the wage is annualised and from reports is between $80 - $100k, which isn't bad given the holidays.

Many industry workers have to negotiate a loss of entitlements for a pay rise.

Teachers are saying you can't cut funding, and we aren't giving up anything, so suck it up. Doesn't sound like they have anyone but their own interests at heart.

I know they are not after a pay rise, but don't tell me they have the kids interest at heart.lol
 
Muschu said:
Cripes ...
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Bill though while there in person I suspect will be less keen this time than he was during the September election campaign.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/p...th-against-education-cuts-20130903-2t36s.html

Federal education minister Bill Shorten also addressed the crowds, saying the cuts were typical of conservative governments.

Mr Shorten urged voters nationwide to turn their backs on the Liberal Party, in light of Tony Abbott's expressed admiration for Premier Colin Barnett's governing style.

"This really highlights what is at risk on Saturday in the federal election. Do not let Tony Abbott do to schools in Australia what Colin Barnett is already doing to schools in Western Australia," Mr Shorten said.
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That worked out really well for Labor in the West and Bill knows its not a political positive this time either.

He though is beholden to the union movement that supports him.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/p...th-against-education-cuts-20130903-2t36s.html
 
To me it's wrong that people bring children as active participants in political protests.
 
Muschu said:
Cripes ... What narrow thinking. Teacher salaries are adjusted to their "working weeks" and distributed over 52 weeks.

Their fantastic salaries can be Googled.

And of course "anyone can teach". And anyone can criticise.

The percentage of teachers with Masters Degrees and Doctorates is rapidly growing with no financial recompense. Check the stats on teacher retention rather than shooting from the hip.

Have you any idea of what most teachers and Principals do with far more than one week of their holidays?

So: Let's tell them all that they are selfish and suggest they do something more meaningful than educating our children. Maybe charities will take over.

Of course cuts need to occur but, any any level of intelligence, please don't disguise this as reform... And keep kids first.

I don't know what you guys do for a living, but would hope not to denigrate it.... I'd only suggest that your thinking on this issue could possibly be narrow.

As for a political stance I have never considered this but may contact the Sex Party for their view on educating our children in an increasingly complex world.
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How many times do you think a supervisor, has to answer the phone in the middle of the night or several times over a weekend , when a fault or incident happens at site.

How many hours do you think a supervisor has to put in, of their own time writing up proceedures and safety protocols.

You tend to to think this is a unique experience that teachers have.lol

The only unique experience teachers have is 12 weeks annual leave.

Try 4 weeks leave in 10 years, and then the company goes belly up.lol
 
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