Motorway - interesting point re washing. With humanity becoming more and more paranoid about sterility (anti-bac handwashes etc etc) and better hygiene, have we swapped some diseases for something else? From what Dr Cannell suggests we aren't helping ourselves. And this likely all ties into the increase in allergen sensitivity in the population.
I shall have to get my books out again when I get back home!
What Vit D suppl do you use, If I may ask?
sunbathing may not produce much vitamin D if you shower with soap after exposure. Water cleans the body but does not destroy as much sebum, human body oil.
When you think about it, God made the perfect body oil for humans””sebum””but humans wash off her body oil and then apply body oils made by the cosmetic industry. I doubt she likes that.
The barmy vitamin munchers are as deleterious to a vibrant Australia as the greens, basket weavers and weather pseudoscientists.
If you are not indigenous, live on the Eastern coat of Australia or Perth and environs, you have buckleys of being deficient in anything, vitamins, Vit D, et al
All this concentration on nutrition is a substitute for religion, and its purveyors resemble priests more than scientists.
Wake up to yourselves, fish, get a veggie garden, bake, cook and stew, kill a beast now and then, r00t and don't worry about all this data, as it is not validated.
gg
Vitamin D deficiency in adults
Devina Joshi, Bone and Calcium Registrar, 1, 2 Jacqueline R Center, Associate Professor of Medicine (Conjoint), 3 Staff Endocrinologist1 and Senior Research Fellow, 2 and John A Eisman, Professor of Medicine (Conjoint), 3 Staff Endocrinologist 1 and Director 2
1 St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney
2 Osteoporosis and Bone Biology, Garvan Institute of Medical Research, Sydney
3 University of New South Wales, Sydney
Summary
Vitamin D deficiency is a common condition that affects a significant number of Australians. Vitamin D is important in the maintenance of bone health, and deficiency leads to osteomalacia and contributes to fragility fractures. Deficiency has also been implicated in a wide variety of extra-skeletal conditions. Vitamin D can be easily assessed in patients by measuring serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Replacement of vitamin D needs to be tailored for each patient and depends on the severity of the deficiency. Toxicity is unlikely with vitamin D when it is administered as cholecalciferol as it has a wide safety window.The adequacy of replacement should be monitored and in cases of persistently low concentrations, malabsorptive conditions (especially coeliac disease) should be excluded.
Key words: calcitriol, cholecalciferol, ergocalciferol.
(Aust Prescr 2010;33:103-6)
Australia is well known for its abundance of sunshine. Hence, it is perhaps surprising that vitamin D deficiency is a common condition affecting a large proportion of Australians. A recognised consequence of low vitamin D is osteomalacia in adults.1 It also contributes to osteoporosis, that is fragility fractures, in part through increased risk of falls.2 Vitamin D deficiency has also been implicated in other conditions including cardiovascular disease, increased cancer risk and mortality, falls, sarcopenia, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, osteoarthritis, epilepsy and cognitive dysfunction.
This is quite an unattractive site, but has good info on vitamins and minerals contained in foods and RDI's
http://www.healthyeatingclub.org/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5d.html
Re: Magnesium, looking at where you can get this element from, naturally, one wonders why you would need to supplement.???
Magnesium requirements are underestimated. This is due to: (1) the misconception that the daily requirement is the amount that prevents signs and symptoms of severe deficiency or hypomagnesemia; (2) the difficulties in assaying cellular Mg, plasma Mg being a poor index of body status; (3) the maintenance of Mg-balance at suboptimal intakes and tissue levels; and (4) the increased needs caused by growth, development, repair, stress, dietary imbalances, and environmental factors.
The latest survey of magnesium (Mg) intakes of Americans (NHANES) indicates the majority of Americans have Mg intakes below the Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) in all age and race groups tested. In fact, the daily intakes were: 70 mg/day less than recommended in Caucasian men; 130 mg/day less in African American men; 60 mg/day less in Caucasian women; and 120 mg/day less than recommended in African American women. (The RDA is 320 mg/day for women and 420 mg/day for men.) Also, one statistic””called the standard error of the mean””was quite low. For example, +/- 6 for Caucasian men, raising the possibility that the vast majority of Americans are Mg deficient.
VITAMIN D'S CO-FACTORSVitamin D has co-factors that the body needs in order to utilize vitamin D properly. They are:
magnesium
zinc
vitamin K2
boron
a tiny amount of vitamin A
Magnesium is the most important of these co-factors. In fact, it is common for rising vitamin D levels to exacerbate an underlying magnesium deficiency. If one is having problems supplementing with vitamin D, a magnesium deficiency could be the reason why.
High Mg foods were probably staples of Paleolithic man.
Magnesium (Mg) is the forgotten mineral, an "orphan," as Professor Robert Heaney of Creighton University says. It is the fourth most abundant mineral in the body, for it is involved in more than 300 biochemical reactions. All the enzymes that metabolize Vitamin D require Mg. It is also required in each of the steps concerned with replication, transcription, and translation of genetic information, and thus it is also needed for the genetic mechanism of action of Vitamin D.
Besides these two reviews, any scientist interested in Vitamin D and the immune system should read Interactions between magnesium and vitamin D: possible implications in the immune system.
Two interesting cases of Mg dependent Vitamin D-resistant rickets appeared in the Lancet in 1974. Two children, one age two and the other age five, presented with classic rickets. 600,000 IU of Vitamin D daily for ten days did not result in any improvement in six weeks””in either x-rays or alkaline phosphatase””and the doctors diagnosed Vitamin D-resistant rickets. Almost by accident, serum Mg levels were then obtained, which were low in both children.
After the treatment with Mg, the rickets rapidly resolved. What does that mean? How can one treat rickets with Mg? Remember, these children took a total of 6 million units, that's a total of 6,000,000 IU of vitamin D over ten days (it was given as injections so we know the children actually took it). Thus, they had plenty of vitamin D but, in their cases, the vitamin D needed Mg to work.
It probably is not needed if you have a very good diet ( I think I do )
But it is the most important Vit D co factor ( much more important than Calcium supplementation )
Motorway
Seems like that is not correct GG:
Please provide some peer reviewed proof.
gg
Sounds like you probably don't need a chemist's lab to solve a magnesium deficiency you most likely don't have.
Vitamin D I can understand, other elements and nutrition inputs should always be attempted with improving your diet, I mean - even a few brazil nuts sounds like a much better solution to buying a pill.
Also you must keep alert to what else is contained in the supplement. I chose not to use Blackmores D because of the sulphites they use as a preservative.
Motorway is a peer right now, and he swears by it. I'll immerse myself and will provide a further peer review in due course. That is of course, GG, if you will accept Motorway and myself as peers??
Please provide some peer reviewed proof.
gg
Basically agree Roland
Vitamin D I see as different ...If we want optimum health we really need to supplement ..
After that a good diet will do it
We don't need C & E and Calcium etc ..
With sufficient Vitamin D... things will work as they should
eg calcium will be absorbed and regulated..
Still take long chain omega 3s
in the form of molecular distilled oil from small cold water wild fish
But that is about it..
magnesium don't really disagree with you
but atm supplement with it
and feeling very well
with the Vit D Omega 3 and Mg
and good diet
Have seen the results show up in Blood tests with omega 3
So sticking with that...
certainly not a huge supplementation program
Motorway
Somehow I suspect that anonymous posters on a stock forum may not have been what gg had in mind when he requested peer reviewed data.
gg, I wouldn't hold your breath. The vitamin/health food industry is not exactly known for its scientifically controlled double blind studies.
I'm not suggesting that Vit D isn't indeed useful, but I'd be looking for qualified medical advice before rushing out to buy and gulp down what someone anonymous on the internet tells me is the right thing to do.
Motorway, the above is not intended as being disrespectful to you personally, but is made as a general cautionary comment.
Somehow I suspect that anonymous posters on a stock forum may not have been what gg had in mind when he requested peer reviewed data.
gg, I wouldn't hold your breath. The vitamin/health food industry is not exactly known for its scientifically controlled double blind studies.
I'm not suggesting that Vit D isn't indeed useful, but I'd be looking for qualified medical advice before rushing out to buy and gulp down what someone anonymous on the internet tells me is the right thing to do.
Motorway, the above is not intended as being disrespectful to you personally, but is made as a general cautionary comment.
There are quite a few contrarian articles that are worth noting, here is one to have a read through: http://www.examiner.com/nutrition-i...thyl-iodide-pesticide-on-california-s-produce
I'm not suggesting that Vit D isn't indeed useful, but I'd be looking for qualified medical advice before rushing out to buy and gulp down what someone anonymous on the internet tells me is the right thing to do.
Motorway, the above is not intended as being disrespectful to you personally, but is made as a general cautionary comment.
The Daction project is an international public health project to solve the vitamin D deficiency epidemic.
The major components of the project are
Education:
Diagnosis & Treatment of Vitamin D Deficiency seminars. Contact us to sponsor seminars in your community.
carole@grassrootshealth.org
Tours to educate the public and health care personnel in brief (1-2 hour) presentations about the epidemic and recommended actions.
Exhibits at major medical conferences.
And
Testing of vitamin D levels
GrassrootsHealth is sponsoring the use of blood spot test kits (laboratory analysis done by ZRT Labs) for a $60.00 fee to each individual. The tests are to be done twice a year by each individual along with the submission of some basic health data. The kits are not available as a ‘stand alone’ without health data.\
A 5 year study will be done with the data
accumulated from the individuals tested to evaluate the results of the program in disease prevention and to help create a long term plan for public health.
The vitamin/health food industry is not exactly known for its scientifically controlled double blind studies.
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