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China has been winning for years, the fact they actually don't play by the rules that the west does, makes it impossible to beat them without tariffs.
My guess is Trump has gone in fast and hard to get everyone's attention and get the ball rolling quickly, getting bogged down in diplomatic double talk removes the urgency and allows the waffle and media to miss represent the intent.

I think he has made it clear that this is happening and China is the main focus, warning China's close allies that if they want to be a conduit for China, they will cop the same.

The horse is so far down the paddock with regard trade imbalance, that nothing short of a radical approach will not pull up the trend, so really i don't think Trump would have made any headway with a softly, softly approach, as Australia found out when they asked for an investigation into covid.

It all sounds nice to tread carefully with China, but they just smile nicely as they carry on their merry way, as has been shown before.

Working with China,when they have a massive upper hand, wouldn't be easy.
China just has to keep going along as it is, there is no reason for them to change, why would they? it wouldn't make sense.

The West is borrowing money, to support its welfare systems, China's manufacturing is increasing exponentially as shown on the chart,withing 20 years the West will be bankrupt.
Why would China negotiate? Would you, if you were in their position.

<blockquote data-quote="sptrawler" data-source="post: 1326276" data-attributes="member: 28038">China has been winning for years, the fact they actually don&#039;t play by the rules that the west does, makes it impossible to beat them without tariffs.My guess is Trump has gone in fast and hard to get everyone&#039;s attention and get the ball rolling quickly, getting bogged down in diplomatic double talk removes the urgency and allows the waffle and media to miss represent the intent.I think he has made it clear that this is happening and China is the main focus, warning China&#039;s close allies that if they want to be a conduit for China, they will cop the same.The horse is so far down the paddock with regard trade imbalance, that nothing short of a radical approach will not pull up the trend, so really i don&#039;t think Trump would have made any headway with a softly, softly approach, as Australia found out when they asked for an investigation into covid.It all sounds nice to tread carefully with China, but they just smile nicely as they carry on their merry way, as has been shown before.Working with China,when they have a massive upper hand, wouldn&#039;t be easy.China just has to keep going along as it is, there is no reason for them to change, why would they? it wouldn&#039;t make sense.The West is borrowing money, to support its welfare systems, China&#039;s manufacturing is increasing exponentially as shown on the chart,withing 20 years the West will be bankrupt.Why would China negotiate? Would you, if you were in their position.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="sptrawler, post: 1326276, member: 28038"] China has been winning for years, the fact they actually don't play by the rules that the west does, makes it impossible to beat them without tariffs. My guess is Trump has gone in fast and hard to get everyone's attention and get the ball rolling quickly, getting bogged down in diplomatic double talk removes the urgency and allows the waffle and media to miss represent the intent. I think he has made it clear that this is happening and China is the main focus, warning China's close allies that if they want to be a conduit for China, they will cop the same. The horse is so far down the paddock with regard trade imbalance, that nothing short of a radical approach will not pull up the trend, so really i don't think Trump would have made any headway with a softly, softly approach, as Australia found out when they asked for an investigation into covid. It all sounds nice to tread carefully with China, but they just smile nicely as they carry on their merry way, as has been shown before. Working with China,when they have a massive upper hand, wouldn't be easy. China just has to keep going along as it is, there is no reason for them to change, why would they? it wouldn't make sense. The West is borrowing money, to support its welfare systems, China's manufacturing is increasing exponentially as shown on the chart,withing 20 years the West will be bankrupt. Why would China negotiate? Would you, if you were in their position. [/QUOTE]

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