IFocus
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CHANGES to the legal system, including the election of judges, are "almost inevitable" if courts continue to give light sentences, Tony Abbott has said.
University of NSW constitutional law expert professor George Williams said a system of elected judges would require changing the Constitution via referendum
Opposition legal affairs spokesman Senator George Brandis rushed to Mr Abbott’s defence this morning, claiming he did not support a system of elected judges, describing him as a “constitutional conservative”.
Is there no end to the extent of this man's capacity to change ANY of his so-called positions in the search of popularism and votes? How on earth can he claim to be a conservative and at the same time seek to trash one of the most fundamental of pillars of our legal system? What does he really believe in? Anything? Anyone who sees this as having any merit at all would do well to, as I have, live in the US for a lengthy period and see quite what the consequences are of a politicized judiciary.
Just love it when Abbott opens his mouth.......
Nothing like sprouting populist rubbish for the red neck sector vote.
Only one problem....
Brandis would have freaked out
this in the comments section sums up nicely
A friend of mine (farmer) summed up Abbott the other day by saying "who could vote a tosser like Abbott in as Prime Minister.
Poor old IFocus, he got so p*%#ed of with Joolya being bashed for the past two weeks, he has had to divert attention to Mr.Rabbitt. She needs more dialogue, dialogue, and more dialogue to KEEP MOOOOOVING FOOORWARD.
This referred to the need for a referendum to change the constitution.Nothing like sprouting populist rubbish for the red neck sector vote.
Only one problem....
So you quote one comment by one Labor voter. I hardly think that is sufficient to dismiss the underlying reality of the concern Tony Abbott's remark was reflecting.this in the comments section sums up nicely
A friend of mine (farmer) summed up Abbott the other day by saying "who could vote a tosser like Abbott in as Prime Minister.
The comment that this is 'populist rubbish' is perhaps not quite fair in this instance.
Many perfectly reasonable people, not 'rednecks' as you so pejoratively put it, are outraged by the minimal sentences handed down for very violent crime.
Perhaps you could say, IFocus, if you really believe sentences by most judges fairly reflect the seriousness of the crimes committed?
The belief that judges' sentences are too lenient is a common one, hence Abbott's (probably correct) assumption that elected judges, who would have to rely on a level of public approval for continuance in office, would impose harsher sentences.
Smart Justice, a coalition of organisations led by the Federation of Community Legal Services, has reported that a 2008 survey found that 64 per cent of Victorians perceived sentences to be too light.
Surveys in Western countries generally report an even higher rate. However, a Melbourne University study conducted from 2004-2006 concluded that members of the public would give similar or even lower sentences than judges once informed of all salient facts. Such facts are often missing from the "lenient sentences" mantra driven by some mainstream media outlets, which often rely on glib descriptions of a small number of particularly violent cases, coupled with outraged comments about "out-of-touch" judges.
Politicians should be wary of blithely jumping on the bandwagon and wrongly encouraging dissatisfaction with courts.
But it is hugely important in any democracy that judges are able to put a brake on government power and demand that governments conform to the rule of law and the Constitution, regardless of the popularity of the judgments in question.
On a different topic, it will be interesting to see how Chris Bowen handles the extensive ramifications of today's High Court decision re asylum seekers' access to the full Court appeals system. If we thought arrivals had blown out, then I reckon we ain't seen nothing yet!
So far Chris Bowen's performance is admirable and a great improvement over his predecessor, but he will be hard pressed to make this look good to the public.
Perhaps a separate thread on how appropriate sentences are would be better than following that on this thread.
I can't get out of my mind a bloke who, when a mare he had care of, refused to accept bread from him, flogged her so badly she was biting at her stomach in an attempt to deflect the pain. He inflicted such injuries that the horse had to be put down.
He received a suspended sentence. So effectively went unpunished.
1. How can that possibly be reasonable, given the extreme cruelty?
2. What sort of message is it offering regarding animal cruelty?
I'm assuming you mean the abuser, not the horse.Sounds like he should have been shot
Whilst I appreciate the point you're making about Mr Abbott's comment, it's disingenuous of you to suggest the judge in the case I quoted had no option in handing down a suspended sentence (i.e. no punishment).What is offensive about Abbott's comments is that in the example above you have had a result according to law.
HE JUST cannot help himself. With half of eastern Australia a quagmire of endless heartbreak, with bodies still to be found, mourned and buried, there is Tony Abbott playing cheap politics yet again.
The government should abandon the $36 billion national broadband network and spend the money on reconstruction, he said on Tuesday. The network was "a luxury that Australia cannot now afford. The one thing you don't do is redo your bathroom when your roof has just been blown off.''
Actually, the one thing you don't do at times like this is expect any decent restraint or sensitivity from Abbott. He doesn't know the meaning of the words. Wielding the flood disaster as yet another stick to bash the government and the national broadband network is crass opportunism.
His water spokesman, Barnaby Joyce, is already at it. ''A lot of the time the argument about dams is driven by a religious fervour about anything that interferes with nature,'' he blathered as the waters rose in Rockhampton and Toowoomba. This was "an argument against civilisation".
That would be the same Barnaby Joyce who, two years ago, called the plans for the Traveston Crossing Dam north of Brisbane "a multi-billion dollar debacle" and hailed Peter Garrett's eventual decision not to build it. Consistency is not his strong point.
If the divisions in Abbott's office are considered alongside divisions at the upper levels of the Liberal leadership team (for example the toxic relationship between shadow treasurer Joe Hockey and the man who wants his job, shadow finance spokesman Andrew Robb), there are a multitude of factors capable of inhibiting the opposition.
Yes, I read that article this morning. Peter van Onselen is a pretty astute commentator.
I think Tony Abbott has only so much positive capital in reserve after so improving the Libs' position coming up to the election.
There's so much going against him that a few stumbles will see what limited popularity he does have destroyed pretty quickly imo.
Well, gg, I hope you're right, Calliope and Sails also. Perhaps I'm judging too harshly.Julia, I think you seriously underestimate Tony.
As I said before he is a pugilist. He is used to being punched about. He paces himself via exercise creating endarphins which he uses to calm himself.
He is most dangerous when seemingly cornered, he accumulates reserves and then comes back out biffing when people least expect it.
Much as I dislike blowing my own trumpet, I was one of the few people to tip him as a Leader of the Libs when Rudd was triumphant and the Libs were looking at being a rump party at the last election under Turnbull.
Mark my words, he will be one of the great PM's of Australia, overshadowing Menzies and Howard.
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Someone in the Coalition needs a "severe reprimand" over this.Yes a good article from van Onselen, thanks IF.
The email asking for donations 'to help our campaign against Labor's flood tax' was ill-advised in the extreme.
Alarm bells from this 'loyalists' eg Kimball vs 'careerists' eg Credlin thing going on, and Kimball isn't the only loyalist who is unsettled.
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