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Tony Abbott for PM

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sails said:
I understand betting odds are nowhere near Newspoll's optimism for labor.
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I think it will be close and labor has a very good chance of getting the win.
Abbott is simply not liked out there and is touted as the face of the libs. They should have pushed Turnbull into a higher position and pranced him in front of the media more often to woo some of the swinging votes. Still plenty of time left yet though.
 


Turnbull's polling wasn't good when he was leader (see newspoll archives). And, don't forget, the left want him back as then he would go to the election without the broken Gillard "no carbon tax" promise.

And I think labor can't find enough dirt on Abbott and there is the Gretch affair with Turnbull. I think labor would make mince meat of him even worse than they have done to Abbott and is yet another reason they want him back as lib leader. Strangely they don't want him as labor leader...lol.

The fact that so many from the left are desperate to replace Turnbull with Abbott speaks volumes. It tells me that labor have a far better chance with Turnbull as lib leader than Abbott. I think the lib internal polling would be showing them what they need to know and I read somewhere recently that the lib caucus don't like Turnbull any more than the labor caucus like Rudd.
 
Newspoll is a bit of Xmas cheer for Labor, that's all. Even with that, they can't get in front.

Once the government;s problems come back into visible light, Labor will slip back again as it has throughout this government.

Essential Media has the Coalition at 54% 2PP.
 
drsmith said:
Newspoll is a bit of Xmas cheer for Labor, that's all. Even with that, they can't get in front
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I wouldn't be quite so confident about that. The trend has been for Labor recently. Ms Gillard has been in the public eye throughout the holiday period. Announcements like the Royal Commission into Sexual Abuse have earned her points.

Everything I've read about how people are now perceiving the carbon tax, suggests it is becoming a bit of a non-issue. So if Mr Abbott is going to make repealing this his main platform I'm not sure it will be effective.
He has also avoided answering the question about whether the compensation for the tax will also be removed if he succeeds in repealing the tax.

I'm also not confident the Libs are doing the right thing in not announcing any policy. It does enhance the government's claim that all they do is criticise without ever putting up what they would do.

I might be quite wrong, but I have the sense that the Coalition feel bound to stick with Tony Abbott because he succeeded in so improving their stakes after the last election, but are acting against their own interests in this in view of the public clearly preferring Malcolm Turnbull. Loyalty is good, but it might cost them government.
 
Whatever Tony Abbott's public popularity, he is the one to politically slay Julia Gillard if Labor don't do it first.

Politically, Malcolm Turnbull is too soft and would be slaughtered by Gillard and the Labor political machine.

The best that can be hoped for from this point is that Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull can work together as a team, but with TA as leader.
 

Have to agree with all of that...
 
drsmith said:
The best that can be hoped for from this point is that Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull can work together as a team, but with TA as leader.
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Turnbull, like that other millionaire Rudd, thinks he was born to rule. Like Rudd he wouldn't fit too well in a subordinate position, which is a pity because I think he would make a good treasurer.
 
Calliope said:
Turnbull, like that other millionaire Rudd, thinks he was born to rule. Like Rudd he wouldn't fit too well in a subordinate position, which is a pity because I think he would make a good treasurer.
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MT as treasurer would give the electorate a lot more confidence in the Libs overall.

He is appropriate for a high profile role, but having blown his first opportunity as leader and since been less than a team player since, he needs to again earn the right to lead. If he can do that, he'll be a good future leader of the party.
 
dutchie said:
Despite the polls I still think (gut feeling) it will be a landslide for LNP.
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+1 I'm with you on that Dutchie, I think people are over it and just telling the polls what they want to hear.
For most voters, the election can't come soon enough, it has been a tragic period in Australian politics.
Most voters will get rid of Labor rather than go through another term of this type of fiasco.
 

He has to learn the team is bigger than the individual.
 

I don't want turnbull as leader(yet again) but he needs a role that will put him in the spotlight. Lets face it Hockey as treasurer is a joke. And it doesn't matter if the righties hate turnbull libs need to swing votes from the middle.
 
I'm probably going to vote for Abbott despite my lack of faith in him and hope he proves me wrong and becomes a great Prime Minister. You make a good point moxJO, if Turnball was treasurer it would give me much more confidence.
 
moXJO said:
I don't want turnbull as leader(yet again) but he needs a role that will put him in the spotlight. Lets face it Hockey as treasurer is a joke. And it doesn't matter if the righties hate turnbull libs need to swing votes from the middle.
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I don't now, but after a term or two under another PM ?

I'm still open minded on that.
 
Knobby22 said:
I'm probably going to vote for Abbott despite my lack of faith in him and hope he proves me wrong and becomes a great Prime Minister. You make a good point moxJO, if Turnball was treasurer it would give me much more confidence.
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I dont think there's any risk, the Libs are smart, if Abbott stuffs up they will replace him.

They run like a business, efficient.
 
Agree.

sptrawler said:
+1 I'm with you on that Dutchie, I think people are over it and just telling the polls what they want to hear.
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Why do you suggest the polling companies 'want to hear' anything in particular? Have you ever been polled re federal politics? The questions are entirely neutrally phrased, not in any way leading the respondent.

And even if the suggestion were valid, why on earth would respondents answer with anything other than their genuine intentions?

moXJO said:
I don't want turnbull as leader(yet again) but he needs a role that will put him in the spotlight. Lets face it Hockey as treasurer is a joke. And it doesn't matter if the righties hate turnbull libs need to swing votes from the middle.
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Agree on all points. Personally I'm not keen on Turnbull for many reasons. I think Tony Abbott is probably more genuine in his political philosophy. But like it or not, he does have that ultra conservative reputation and the general ethos across Australia these days is more to the broader views that Turnbull espouses.
 
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