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Tony Abbott for PM

Julie Bishop has issues getting her face on TV and your words in print publications. I expect a bit more of a deputy leader of the major party of the coalition. Barnaby manages it fine altough often not in glorious manner.

Malcolm Turnball doesn't seem to always be using the same playbook as other senior members. Look at his response to government budget accounting for the NBN (he is right, other senion members are wrong - they are playing on ignorance of the media and general public) and his delivery and persona doesn't seem as leadership type. More of a senior member thing.

Andrew Robb has basically gone AWOL since returning for depression therapy to get his life back on track. A finance minister should be all over a number of issues in the last 6 months.

Joe Hockey is missing something. He may mean well. He needs to work with someone that is critical of his public media performances to add the extra little something needed.

Tony Abbott worked on the aggressive attack dog. The kind of thing that senior party members do but not a leader. He is working too hard at trying to be everyone's friend and digging big holes for himself. Who remembers the issue when visiting farmers discussing coal-seam gas then in the next day or so talking to energy companies?

Christopher Pyne does have the Alexander Downer about him (it along with Turnball's speaking style makes them all seem like they are above common folk.) He is a little bit smarter about what he says. If he were a little heavier, deeper voice and less upperclass in how he speaks he would get a far stronger following.

If anyone watches Kitchen Cabinet, all I can say is the Liberals need to have an honest day with Bronwyn Bishop.

Kelly O'Dwyer is often said to be an up-and-comer but she needs to work on delivery and mindset. She comes across as a softer Tony Abbott - still a little aggressive at times but a bit to condescending. She needs to work on her Q&A appearances and she'll would get a much stronger following.

Is Peter Dutton still alive? He seems to have fallen off the radar.

Sophie Mirabella seems to want to be Tony's deputy. Too much of a condescending attack dog. Her Q&A appearances hurt her often although on September or October there was an appearance where she behaved, didn't raiser her voice and start talking over everyone as if she is the star and is the superior being.

They need to role out Ian MacFarlane more. He can add a political slant to answers without looking like he is only there for the politics. You can get some get answers from him.

George Brandis needs to work with someone good with PR. He annoys me on Q&A often as he has the superiority thing about him like a number of senior liberals (they talk and act like it - not that they are.)

How should Abbott be replaced? If George Brandis fixes up some of his public work then he leads, Malcolm Turnball as treasurer, Ian MacFarlane finance minister. The party leadership would need to work more cohesively and correctly - that is don't endlessly give incorrect responses for political points. Abbott can go back to health.
 
Apart from the fact that we know it will be extremely expensive.

I agree, Ferret. But would the Libs be able to do this, given the way he did raise their stakes after the last election? I suppose, though, loyalty in politics is an alien concept. Certainly Labor have demonstrated it to be so. Abbott has never been leadership material imo.

Except that Costello has made it crystal clear that he is not interested. He is still nursing a grudge after John Howard failed to pass the leadership to him. In retrospect, what a massive mistake that was.

Indeed - after all, these polling companies are getting paid big money to produce results!
I've previously asked sails and Miss Hale, and will now ask you, if you are actually saying here that the research companies are not conducting genuinely objective polling?
That's quite an accusation. Their questions for every poll are on their website for all to see. How, exactly, do you suggest they are skewing results and on behalf of whom?


Julie Bishop has issues getting her face on TV and your words in print publications. I expect a bit more of a deputy leader of the major party of the coalition. Barnaby manages it fine altough often not in glorious manner.
Isn't that much to be expected of a deputy leader? I'm not sure. Swan, as Deputy of Labor, only gets publicity in his role as Treasurer, not as deputy leader.

Andrew Robb has basically gone AWOL since returning for depression therapy to get his life back on track. A finance minister should be all over a number of issues in the last 6 months.
Even when he did appear, he was less than impressive.

Joe Hockey is missing something. He may mean well. He needs to work with someone that is critical of his public media performances to add the extra little something needed.
He's probably a nice bloke. That is not enough for a Shadow Treasurer. His interview on "The Insiders" on Sunday was just a joke. He came across as a clown.

Is the upper class thing really a problem? How about Menzies? Turnbull is also well spoken.
Somehow the 'mincing poodle' label someone in Labor applied to Mr Pyne seemed rather appropriate, if very unkind. Absolutely couldn't see him as leader.



Is Peter Dutton still alive? He seems to have fallen off the radar.
I've heard him briefly on the radio. Hard to believe he was ever considered a rising star.

Sophie Mirabella seems to want to be Tony's deputy.
Really? I couldn't think of anyone much less likely unless it was Bronwyn Bishop. Mirabella has her foot in her mouth almost as often as does Mr Abbott.

They need to role out Ian MacFarlane more. He can add a political slant to answers without looking like he is only there for the politics. You can get some get answers from him.
Agree absolutely. He comes across as aware, competent and above all a decent human being.

George Brandis needs to work with someone good with PR. He annoys me on Q&A often as he has the superiority thing about him like a number of senior liberals
I hadn't noticed that about him. I find him knowledgeable, articulate and pretty sensible.

That sounds like a considerable improvement over the present, boofhead. Thanks for an interesting and thoughtful summary.
 
A pretty good assessment above, but I can't see Malcolm Turnbull aspiring to be anything other than leader.

If he replaced Joe Hockey as shadow treasurer and played more for the team, that alone would be a significant improvement.
 
It seems the plot thickens - intriguing thoughts from a poster on Michael Smith's blog:


Here is the Wiki link confirming that Kim Williams is indeed the Whitlam's son-in-law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Whitlam

Source of quote: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...d.html?cid=6a0177444b0c2e970d017c32e5bd5b970b
 
A pretty good assessment above, but I can't see Malcolm Turnbull aspiring to be anything other than leader.

If he replaced Joe Hockey as shadow treasurer and played more for the team, that alone would be a significant improvement.

Agree 100%, also I feel Bishop and Turnbull would be carved up and diced by Gillard. I may be wrong but I think if Liberals changed leaders it would be a disaster.
The very fact that Labor are pre occupied with attacking Abbott, shows they are worried by him.
Really, what have they landed on him, other than allow Gillard to run off at the mouth and show she is as nasty as everyone thought.
Jeez it is sad when politics degrade to this level.
It would appear the political mantra now is " Ask not what I can do for my country, ask what my country can do for me" it has become a sad state of affairs.
Maxine Mckew must be pretty proud of helping get this rabble in, I think not.
 
Have you ever been involved in any marketing questionairres or survey groups? They select particular classes of people or "target audiences" under the guise that this is where the information that their client wants to hear will come from. It's easy to skew the answer to the same question by intereviewing a list of people on your database that you know will answer how you want it to. They get paid if the survey results are favourable; and their clients will come back for more.

For the benefit of whom? The people who want the truth skewed, even if only by degrees at a time. Opinion polls can be, in some circumstances, as others have pointed out, notoriously far from the truth.

I don't have proof of this, and yes, it is a grand accusation if you would like to put it there - but that's how I feel about marketers after my experiences with them.
 

And why would they want to skew the result in Labor's favour? To entice Gillard into an early election?:headshake
 
A pretty good assessment above, but I can't see Malcolm Turnbull aspiring to be anything other than leader.

If he replaced Joe Hockey as shadow treasurer and played more for the team, that alone would be a significant improvement.

true, i cant imagine what incentive there would be to join parliament as a multi multi millionaire just to sit on the front bench
 
And why would they want to skew the result in Labor's favour? To entice Gillard into an early election?:headshake
It would be the death of any market research company not to be completely ethical in their method.

If there were even a whisper of corrupt practices the affected side of politics would be all over it.
 
This is what really frustrates me about the coalition's attacks on Labor. From today's The Australian ....

Just one in four expect surplus: Newspoll

JULIA Gillard has refused to renew her guarantee to return the budget to surplus this year, with only one in four Australians believing Labor will be able to deliver its promise to get back into the black before the election.

The Prime Minister yesterday twice dodged an opposition challenge during question time to directly and personally guarantee the return to surplus this financial year, and the leader of government business in the house, Anthony Albanese, attempted to block a question from Tony Abbott to her on the surplus.


I don't believe the average punter gives a damn about a billion here or there as that amount seems minuscule in comparison with other figures they hear, such as the cost of the NBN or military spending. However, most are confused about what to get back into the black really means. This at least is the impression I get from talking to some of my less informed colleagues. They are assuming that should the government achieve a budget surplus, that we, as a country, are out of debt and conversely, if we only miss by a billion or two, that is no big deal as it can be made up next year. They do not know there is a difference between government debt and the current account. They would be shocked if they saw how quickly we have gone from being in surplus to where we are now, owing several hundred billion. And the reason they aren't aware of this is because Abbott and Hockey spend all their times harking on about the budget surplus and rarely mentioned overall debt.

They should be like Costello on Bolt's program last week. Showing graphs of our overall debt and showing how a minor budget surplus, if achieved, will make no impression on our overall debt. I get frustrated at the amount of people who think that once we achieve a budget surplus we, as a country, are in the black.
 
It's a confusing space, the sliding scale ever-narrowing, between 'mincing poodle' and 'thuggish misogynist'. The sweet spot is hard to find.

'Madame' Speaker? That's so last week.
 
Could this link be the turning point Tony Abbott is looking for to turn things back in his favour?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-gold-for-abbott/story-e6frg75f-1226506989163


Another link from the Australian appears to indicate urgent action is needed to build a better image of Tony Abbott and the coalition.

The stratagists have finally woken up - it'stime to do something.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...t-to-labors-will/story-e6frg75f-1226508678328
 
Abbott also said some sensible things today also.
Nothing like a bad poll result to force change.
 
Tony Abbott has always been a nodding troglodyte running a no campaign. It is a poor reflection on the liberal party sychophants who deserted Malcolm Turnbull that they as popular as the Gillard government. Canberra is a sinkhole of integrity anyway no matter where you sit.
 
The Liberal Party should really win the next election by a landslide given what the Labor party has dished up over the last few years.

Unfortunately the fact is that there is a dearth of talent in the Liberal Party and years of Abbot negativity have created an impression of a rudderless opposition with no clear alternative vision for Australia.

Additionally his association with the Howard era also puts him at a disadvantage with many in the electorate who link him with the very unpopular work choices.

You wouldn't think it would be possible for the Liberal Party to lose the next election but they might just manage it if they keep bumbling along the way they are doing now.
 
Saw this on the net.

Potential storm brewing, or ALP digging.....

Didn't know which thread to post this in....

On page 18 of the Sunday Mail

 

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