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The Voice

Here we go again. another voice telling us the wrong reasons and that we were wrong.

Acknowledging failures on both sides of politics cannot completely exonerate the Australian people for the choice we collectively made. At the end of the day, we decided. A significant majority of Australians voted No based on the information we had before us.
The Australian people got it wrong in the voice referendum. We chose fear over love. Though voting Yes would have cost us little, we fell for nitpicking and division over a chance at reconciliation.

Shireen Morris, the majority voted No because there of unanswered questions and the danger of a change to our constitution. The majority of Australian's would have voted yes to Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. However, they refused to change to alter the Constitution to allow an unelected body to have powers of change -
(i) there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
(ii) the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the
Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters
relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
(iii) the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with
respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice,
including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

 
Wow will these proponents of the Yes lobby ever get it. NO means exactly that NO
 
Why I refused to acknowledge the traditional owners at the Vic Bar Council

At a recent meeting, I decided to acknowledge all Australians. I posted the minutes on social media and was promptly labelled a “racist”, a “visitor” and an “introduced species”. Lana Collaris.​

Governments need to step up and lead for all Australian. I was born in Australia; I am a traditional Australian, I am connected to this land. But if I say that out loud, I will be hounded and abused.

Acknowledge and teach our history, but not at the cost of unity and friendship.

The voice referendum showed that the majority of Australians want the country to be one, we acknowledge all Australian citizens.

Time for voters to show governments at the next election.

 
The big issue now is, the rental situation is such, that low paid workers are possibly in a worse situation than those on welfare who have social housing.
Every issue is being turned on its head at the moment, pratices of using board and lodging as a wage replacement is raising its head.
Yet a while ago aboriginal stockmen were used in that way and it was called slavery, funny how things can end up going full circle.
 
10 months on and the YES brigade are still blaming everyone else.

There was a time when the Yes side infuriated me with the shallow quality of their “debate”. Now the Yes side bores me.
At its core it was a bad idea for the simple reason that Australians would never accept a two-tier Constitution, where one group of people had special rights permanently entrenched in the Constitution. Dividing groups by race made a bad proposal worse. Acceptance of this simple yet powerful truth will be the final stage of activists dealing with their loss.

 

Yet another nasty piece by Janet Albrechtsen, red meat for the faithful.
 
Please explain what is so nasty about her article, and why.

TBH cannot remember ever reading anything from Albrechtsen that wasn't nasty and I have read most of her stuff it's just her style IMHO.
 
TBH cannot remember ever reading anything from Albrechtsen that wasn't nasty and I have read most of her stuff it's just her style IMHO.

Mmmm, that is an odd way to comment on someone else's opinion. Especially one that has been fact checked and shown to be correct in its analysis.

Just because you don't agree with her opinions does not make a good reason to call her "nasty". Some may even think of you as misogynist.

If you could point out consistent and specific "nasty" comments or articles, then there could be reason in your comment. But to just claim "most of her stuff it's just her style", well I am more inclined to take you as the nasty one.

If you had bothered to read her article and followed the links that she provides you would find that she has a point.

In recent weeks, some losers on the Yes side have displayed tedious self-indulgence, blaming everyone except themselves for the loss. The recent contributions of Shireen Morris and Greg Craven tell you something about the lack of insight and the shoddy analysis that have marked much post-referendum contributions by voice supporters. What we’ve learned most clearly is how deluded they remain.

Many of the YES campaign have commented and written articles blaming the loss of the referendum on others, they have not taken responsibility for their own mistakes. they have not bothered to analyse the reasons that the majority of Australians voted No.

It is well known that the Australian people have a cautious mistrust of authority, not paranoia just a cautious view. It has served us well. The referendum could have been a YES for the majority if the YES campaign and the Prime Minister Albanese were honest and answered the questions asked.

Janet Albrechtsen has written what most of the NO voters feel. We don't like to be mocked by people that cannot accept that they were wrong and lost the referendum because of their blind faith.

At its core it was a bad idea for the simple reason that Australians would never accept a two-tier Constitution, where one group of people had special rights permanently entrenched in the Constitution. Dividing groups by race made a bad proposal worse. Acceptance of this simple yet powerful truth will be the final stage of activists dealing with their loss. However, some of the compromises at least would have moved the voice closer to success than the firm rejection it finally received last October.
 
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Wow will these proponents of the Yes lobby ever get it. NO means exactly that NO

I don't think it will change until our schools and media change.

As a kid I saw a lot of racism during the late 70's and through the 1980's, but things changed. People changed with the help of our governments, schools and the media, but some in power have swung too far and work with extreme ideas. And they will not stop until they have created two countries within one.

We moderates must not be shy about telling our kids and grandkids that we are not a racist nation, and that the best future for humanity is a united one. The YES brigade continues to divide us into white Australia and aboriginal Australia.

One Australia is a united and peaceful society. Two Australia's is a divided nation with different roads.

For as long as I can remember, people have been routinely claiming Aboriginal Australians are the victims of endless racism. This has resulted in branding Australia as a racist nation against Aboriginal Australians.
We all agree that when racism against Indigenous Australians rears its head, we all have a responsibility to stamp it. But we should be just as diligent in stamping out false claims of racism, otherwise we all suffer.

 
In a nutshell, that referendum put the whole indigenous issue back 20 years, just a case of grandstanding for the elites showing how out of touch they are.
Fortunately everyone has moved on and put it in the brain fart closet.
 
In a nutshell, that referendum put the whole indigenous issue back 20 years, just a case of grandstanding for the elites showing how out of touch they are.
Fortunately everyone has moved on and put it in the brain fart closet.

Yes & no.

The contributors to the YES campaign are still working behind the scenes with governments to bring in change, but without the need of a referendum.

Some like Shireen Morris and Greg Craven are writing articles and books, going to unis and lectures to spread the word.

Snooze and you lose.
 
In a nutshell, that referendum put the whole indigenous issue back 20 years, just a case of grandstanding for the elites showing how out of touch they are.
Fortunately everyone has moved on and put it in the brain fart closet.

This is what I have been alluding to -

Notice how, in our public discourse, almost no one refers any more to “Aboriginal people”. Instead, there has been a steady shift in nomenclature – at least by most of the media and officialdom – from the term Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, a simple description, to the term First Nations people, which implies a particular status.
But the term nations implies sovereignty and the term sovereignty implies power. In other words, notwithstanding they’re part of Australia, each Aboriginal “nation” is “sovereign” in the sense of having its own authority to govern itself.
What’s becoming clear is that it wasn’t nearly enough simply to defeat the voice. As long as our mental landscape is dominated by the various manifestations of Aboriginal separatism – the First Nations talk, the welcomes to country and the different flags – the voice referendum will simply be a battle won in the lost war for one Australia.


 
For those at the top of the Yes tree and banging away on th drum about it, there must be a decent amount of coin in it for them, taxpayers money of course.
First nation b/s
Welcome to country b/s
Separate flag definitely b/s
 
For those looking forward ;



better than having your head in a place to comfortably sniff your own 'ding' .....or to paraphrase, for those looking for 'Advancement'' from 'the Australian' astro turf movement.
 
Eventually a balance will be found, at least now there is an agenda, Albo has to be congratulated for that.
Now there just needs to be a workable solution, where all parties contribute to a possitive outcome, no one likes to be pouring money into a bottomless pit of despair and no one like living in that pit.
 

Sorry but the article has a Paywall, can't read it.
 
Ex chairman of ATSIC and strong voice in Aboriginal self determination.
Doesn't help the cause at all.
 
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