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The Voice

Why hasn't this been implemented before spending billions of dollars on welfare and a referendum?

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has laid out her vision for an “advancement movement” in Indigenous affairs, in which welfare-dependent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people do the jobs in their communities
“There should be no fly-in, fly-out workers in communities with Indigenous Australians on welfare.”

 
It has been implemented in one form or another in communities in Queensland, there are still programs running, all have been failures.

The usual reasons and suspects I'm afraid. It is shocking.

Education and willing integration with, or catch up with, the rest of Australia would help more than all the money being spent on health and welfare. It is difficult to solve and nobody is game to stop pretending and do something.

Education. Education. Education.

Jacinta is a cluey lady so I'd back any program that she gets behind.

gg
 
Why would anyone want to get up and go to work every day when they don't have to?

We were on a tour and at one place we were to have a local person explain how their community worked but the coordinator for the community could not get anyone to start work at 8.00am.

The pay was only $400 for 2 hours so no one wanted to do it
 
@Garpal Gumnut Most unfortunately the receivers of these massive and more than generous handouts are firm believers in the "Cargo Cult" where the goodies just keep on keeping on.
Why bother with doing anything when it is all free.
 
@macca Crickey $100 an hour just to waffle on a bit and try to impress how good they are doing.
 
This is the path forward IMHO


Pretty much sums up the core group of the YES intelligentsia.

I like the Central Poster.

However, I can't ignore the nagging feeling that the mainstream NAIDOC agenda has been co-opted for ulterior motives. It seems like it's being used as a tool by the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) and other elites to further their own agendas and maintain divisions among us.

 
Always thought Ken Watt was a good person especially for politics (proper blue blood Liberal) story below looks at his family history and the shocking draconian laws they had to endure.

Ken Wyatt: A trailblazer in Australian politics​


Wyatt said his mother's files also demonstrated the extraordinary power that the department exerted over her life.

When she was older and a domestic worker, her salary was sent to the department to manage, which meant it controlled her ability to buy basic necessities — from dresses to underwear.

"Even when my mother wanted a pair of shoes, she had to write in and ask if a voucher could be made available for her to purchase a pair," Wyatt said.

The department only gave his mum a small amount of her salary, which limited her ability to make her own life choices.

Wyatt discovered that his grandparents were also made to adhere to the same draconian practices.

"If they needed a train fare to Perth then sometimes the letter would say, 'No, we can't justify you returning back to Perth. Remain where you're employed,'" he said.

 
Ken Wyatt
A successful family.

Ben Wyatt is making history as the first Aboriginal person to be treasurer in a state or federal government in Australia, as part of the incoming WA Labor administration.

He follows in the footsteps of his relative Ken Wyatt, the first Indigenous man to become a federal minister.

Ken Wyatt is Minister for Aged Care and Indigenous Health in the Turnbull Government.
 
The terrible thing is now, when i read the headline, i do wonder: did he get the job per skills, hard work, brain and dedication? An old fashion merit and skills

Or just because he has the mandatory 1/8 of "pure Aboriginal blood"..

This is where the voice and decades of discrimination has led us, and anyone not wondering the same is imho, just living with the fairies .
 

Read the whole article none of us have had to endure his past also talks to why he achieved and who helped him.
 
I have some indigenous mates, who are highly successful people and I guarantee you would find them terrific.

So a lot of the issues are a result of the environment they are brought up in, the communities they are brought up in, a lot of life choices they make due sto where they live and a lot depends on the opportunities that are available where they live.

It's complicated and a lot of the problem is trying to facilitate two cultures, one which actually just wants to live on the land and the other that wants everyone to work their ar$e off and kill themselves, just to have a little house on a tiny bit of it.
 
Read the whole article none of us have had to endure his past also talks to why he achieved and who helped him.

You have no idea what others have had to endure while growing up.

Your life is not a mirror image of every non-indigenous person in Australia.

Stop judging.
 
Happily I can say that Mr ken Wyatt was our member in the federal Government.
He wrote to us (well all in the electorate) consistently and I felt that he really did have the community he represented at heart.
Birthdays were not forgotten also.
A sad day when he decided to retire.


On a similar note of Big brother (the Govt) controlling the lives of others.
My father was a child migrant under the Kingsley Fairbridge Foundation (which is dismal blight on those who were removed from England).
He had similar grievances with his pay being paid to the Welfare Department as he was a "Ward of the State" until he was 21.
Though he rarely talked about it, we have found out through researching the family tree just how draconian his life was.
He was never able to obtain a birth certificate as this would have proved he was not an orphan but had a mother, a sister and later 3 brothers.

First Peoples are not the only ones who had to suffer because some bureaucrat in government thought they knew better.
 
Of course, being white, yellow or black does not make anyone better or worse, but with years of "positive" discrimination be it at board level, city offices of big corporations,etc..i will argue that the inner qualities/qualifications of major and not so major appointments in 2024 Australia are not that decisive anymore and nominations are affected by a de facto apartheid and sexism.
I experienced it personally on a RioTinto position in the Brisbane office a decade ago.
I find this terrible and actually horrendous to genuine bonafide talented individuals to be chosen on a sex or skin colour.
 
As mentioned in post #3335, it's not over yet.

Yes camp’s warped ‘post-mortem’ shows they still don’t get why voice failed

There is now a shadow voice – much like the original voice – that is merely a rehash of an old idea, one that promotes separatism. While the original voice may be dead, the mindless pursuit of the shadow voice is not. It is therefore important we continue to have these conversations.



The Aboriginal architects of the voice represent a stellar cast of hardworking, highly intelligent and successful people. They have earned what they have; and what they have, they gained without the voice. To their credit, they continue to use their voices to call attention to the fact far too many Aboriginal people in this country are denied the advantages, opportunities and equity they have themselves.
They should be using their voices to tell these less fortunate Aboriginal Australians what their formula for success has been.
And that formula is pretty much the same one that works for all Australians.
 
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