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The Voice

Just me thinking out loud. Before these communities were spoon fed by the tax payer how did they survive when a disaster hit the area. I would suggest they got off their collective ar**s and did something about it!!!!!!
 
Just me thinking out loud. Before these communities were spoon fed by the tax payer how did they survive when a disaster hit the area. I would suggest they got off their collective ar**s and did something about it!!!!!!
The thing is they want to live their and due to their heritage we facilitate that, the problem is when they want more than basic services Water, electricity and sewage it becomes difficult.

Supplying all the individual communities with schools teachers, doctors, jobs etc is impossible, that's what a lot of city people can't seem to appreciate.
Some of these communities have only a couple of dozen residents, it is a huge problem, that has no easy fix.

It is simple logistics, not a lack of will, the people who supply these services are dedicated people.
 
Aboriginals (and their activist lawyers) need to be careful they don't end up being termed Abogrifters the way this is heading. The way these projects get approved is just one thing: Money. They are, every so rapidly, destroying any credibility they have.

Proclaiming that the ocean, 100s of kilometers off shore, including the sea floor, is traditional ownership is nuts.

They're obviously taking advantage of the global boiling insanity to great effect.



The traditional owners of the 1030 square kilometre Southern Ocean offshore wind zone declared by the Albanese government last month have condemned Energy Minister Chris Bowen for a “complete lack of appropriate and meaningful consultation”, accusing him of undermining their “sovereignty as land rights holders”.

In a statement released on Tuesday, the Gunditj Mirring Traditional Owners Aboriginal Corporation, which represents the Gunditjmara people of southwest Victoria, say that while they support action on climate change, they are concerned that the government has not sufficiently considered the cultural and environmental impacts of offshore wind.

The local Indigenous community’s objections come after Mr Bowen and his Victorian counterpart Lily D’Ambrosio were forced to designate an area which was only 20 per cent of the size of that originally proposed, amid a range of environmental concerns, including over the ramifications for whale habitat.

“The announcement made by Minister Bowen in Portland on 6 March 2024 regarding the designation of an offshore renewable energy zone has been met with disappointment by the Gunditj Mirring Traditional Owners Aboriginal Corporation due to the complete lack of appropriate and meaningful consultation between the commonwealth government and the Gunditjmara community,” the organisation said.
 
 
The silence from the Voice advocates is amazing.

With Indigenous leaders struggling to get any clear answers from the government, The Australian lodged an FOI application asking simple questions about the future of the Makarrata Commission, funding arrangements and communications between ministers’ offices and the National Indigenous Australians Agency. Claiming cabinet in-confidence and other exemptions, the NIAA provided a handful of heavily redacted email chains. It did confirm that $632,616 of the $5.8m allocated over three years in the October 2022 budget had been spent on preparations for a Makarrata Commission.

 
It is about time that our leaders put a stop to the divisions splitting the country.

The past week has been an eye opener, for me anyway. Having Laura Tingle tell us all that Australia is a racist country, the Race Discrimination Commissioner backing her, and now the Race ambassador Tasneem Chopra has been 'asked' to step aside.

Race Discrimination Commissioner: Why ABC chiefs should back Laura Tingle for calling out racism

Racism remains a reality of Australian society. The legacy of Australia's settler colonial history is ongoing, and First Nations Australians in particular continue to experience its effects through intergenerational impacts and the persistence of racial bias within systems and institutions.

Tasneem Chopra was one of the many speakers for the YES campaign for The Voice.

The Australian Human Rights Commission has asked one of its anti-racism ambassadors to “step back” from duties while it investigates a racial discrimination complaint against her.
“This (Ms Chopra’s posts) is more evidence of why the commission is completely inappropriate to undertake the inquiry into anti-Semitism on university campuses,” he said on Monday.

Goes to show, Australian's usually get it right when it comes to elections, referendums and calling out the dark side.

I was born in Australia, about 56 years ago, to an Aussie mum and an Italian father. My dad's parents and sisters lived next door to us and helped look after me, our culture was pretty much all Italian, food and language. I felt racsim from both nationalisties when going to school.
I saw racism almost everywhere and towards anyone that looked different to the white Anglo culture of TV. When I went to school the racism was so bad the government had a commercial on TV to help educate the population.
The Australian society wanted to change for the better.
When my children went to school in the early 2000's they became friends with people from just about every country on the planet, and now that they are working, they continue to make new friends and work colleagues of every persuasion.

Australia is now one of the least racist countries in the world.

Race is now back, being used as a tool by some to create a new world order, just as the Voice was used.

To move forward we must stop using the term 'race' and instead look at one another as people.

 
Just a phase the Western World is going through, where the Elite's and intellectuals want to make everyone like them, kind, condescending, smug and understanding.
The only thing they don't want others to be is rich, they want to keep that inhouse.
 
I've got a good story for you people. I had some Indigenous busking outside of our local Woolworths, playing the didgeridoo and selling some bits and pieces like art. A couple of days went by and I saw the woolies staff stacking all the trollies in the spot where they were busking, and never seen them stacked there before in the 10 years I've been going there. It doesn't seem Woolies supports them anymore after the Yes vote.
 
Watched an interesting video, the quality is not the best and makes me wonder if it is legit. But the content is thought provoking.

 
Watched an interesting video, the quality is not the best and makes me wonder if it is legit. But the content is thought provoking.

Douglas is one of our best centrist thinkers and speakers, never fails to disappoint. Good vid.
 
Have we reached a turning point?

I don't think so. All we are seeing is the vocal YES going undercover and quietly whittling away and sharpening their tools.

Goyder, who has been on the Qantas board since 2017 and chair since October 2018, was a strong backer of former chief executive Alan Joyce, including his high-profile support for the Indigenous voice to parliament campaign last year.
He said support for the Voice had “backfired” and that business leaders were seen by the public as being “high and mighty” and telling them what to do.
He said that support for social and political causes had been a step too far, due to the risks for companies they are seen to back a position of one political party – and that party later losing an election.
The proposed Voice was overwhelmingly defeated by 60 per cent to 40 per cent in a national referendum in October.


 
Have we reached a turning point?

I don't think so. All we are seeing is the vocal YES going undercover and quietly whittling away and sharpening their tools.
Agreed about the YES campaign but I do think we've seen a turning point in other ways.

I'm seeing a few signs that business has realised the public isn't keen on anything that amounts to telling them who to vote for or, even worse, virtue signalling.

Regarding the latter, well it'd be a lot better received by the public if Qantas (since they're the example) took practical steps to help rather than standing on a pedestal wanting to be the government. For example, obvious things it could do:

Ensure all crew and operations staff, including call centres and maintenance operations, are 100% based physically in Australia.

Look to locate operations outside the big cities so as to create opportunities for regional employment. No reason they can't have some administrative operations in Alice Springs or Darwin. Noting that doesn't mean guaranteed jobs for Aboriginals, but it means jobs for someone and they can of course be strongly encouraged to apply.

Preference Australian suppliers, that is companies carrying out production physically within Australia, for everything where possible.

How about a scheme which, with proof required, enables anyone who is unemployed to travel free for the purposes of attending a job interview, formal education or to relocate in order to take up a job? The plane's flying anyway, it won't kill Qantas financially to let someone sit on it for free. Just needs proper checks and balances to prevent abuse.

And so on. Talk is cheap, the public's well aware of that, but action brings results. So quit the talk and just actually do something to help provide greater opportunity for anyone who isn't doing well in society. Not to be directly race based in any way but obviously the benefits will skew toward any race that actually is disadvantaged so there's no need to bias.

More broadly, I'm seeing more and more that suggests the broad socio-political environment that's prevailed in recent times is well on the way out. Voice referendum was one, the push to reindustrialise is another, European politics and in particular that the Left is being rejected by youth is another and there's plenty more. Change is afoot.
 
I hope you are right....
 
That is an unintended consequence of kids without boundaries IMO, they are becoming less and less influenced by parents, establishment and social norms, now they are deciding amongst themselves what they believe and respect, who they trust and who they don't trust.

Just because a politician, policeman, teacher, parent etc says something, it no longer is taken as a knowledgeable directive that should be respected, it is now a request that will or won't be heeded depending on what their social circle thinks about it.

I think the disconnect between the youth and establishment is accelerating and as you say the broad socio-political environment is changing.
As we say interesting times, we are having to import police and defence force personnel, yet we have a rising population and times are tough so those jobs would usually easy to fill.
The next 5 years will see a lot of change IMO.
 
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I don't know how old the joke is or how much truth that there is to it...

An Australia ww2 POW is berated in Changi by a Japanese... 'you fink us Japanese know Fu*k nuffing.. I tell you us Japanese we know F*ck All'

It grates on the pee-hearts that voted No to the Voice to parlinment the analogy that Indiginous Australian asked for 'f*ck nothing' and were delivered by those easly led, bigots, racists and those of small minds 'f*ck all' . They have to live with it.

But still there are of course still those amungst better.
Bless your memory and your work Dear Ms Caroline Jones.

 
A nice gesture, I think it is terrific when people can give to a cause they feel is deserving, everyone should try and make someone else's life better if they can.
 
If people are equal, or rather to be treated equally, there is no need give them special scholarships based on ancestry.
Absolutely, but IMO it is better to help someone or some cause that you want to help, than the money be left to a third party who gets the decision on where your money should go IMO.
There are no doubt people in everyone's lives who can do with a hand up and may deserve it, on many occasions money is left to the surviving parties to bicker and fight amongst themselves for the spoils.
There may be people in the immediate family, that are more deserving than others, IMO that should be sorted pre the departure lounge.
Again just personal thoughts and everyone's circumstances are different.
 
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