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moXJO said:
Never agreed with libs scrapping nbn and now its fibre to the home.

Mega backflip.
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Only if you sign up to a high data speed service plan, makes sense to me, I know heaps of dwellings that already have fibre to the house and no connection. Including mine.?
 
sptrawler said:
Only if you sign up to a high data speed service plan, makes sense to me, I know heaps of dwellings that already have fibre to the house and no connection. Including mine.?
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Its painfully slow where I am. Coved lock down really pushed the limit.
 
moXJO said:
Its painfully slow where I am. Coved lock down really pushed the limit.
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Well this should be great news.
To me from a non subjective perspective as I really don't need bling speed, I think the way it has been rolled out makes technical and fiscal sense, not so much political sense
Being an electrician, I do know the worst part of the install will be the last bit from the verge into the house through a 25mm conduit, cracked and broken by gardeners over the last 50 years.
Those who want bling speed and fibre to the house can now get it, those who don't need or want it don't have to incur the extra cost of installation or more expensive plans.
If at a later date it becomes a requirement to have fibre to receive a service, I'm sure the service provider will upgrade it from the node, at their cost or part of a plan.
Just read this.

The NBN is getting an upgrade, but does that mean your internet's about to get faster?

Millions of Australians are set to get access to high-speed internet as the NBN is upgraded over the next three years. Here's what you need to know about whether that includes you.
www.abc.net.au
In 2013 the Government scrapped a plan by the Labor Party to connect people's houses directly to the NBN, instead opting to connect the fibre to a node at the end of people's streets, and then use pre-existing cables to connect to people's houses from there.

Mr Fletcher said the planned upgrades were always on the cards and rejected suggestions that the announcement was a backflip on the Government's original policy.

"What we had always had in mind was that as demand increased, if there was a case to upgrade the network we'd be interested to do that," Mr Fletcher said.

He also said that while the plan came at a good time during the coronavirus pandemic and economic fallout, it was not timed specifically to help as part of the recovery.

Makes absolute sense, keep costs to a minimum and connect the crappy bit as required.
 
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Abbott repeatedly said he would destroy the NBN it was pure politics Poms were right he was a failed PM, Turnbull to his credit managed to stich together a compromised with a BS story it will be cheaper. We are well behind the world for internet speed access.

It was always a cluster technically and now will cost more to run the fibre.

SP you may still only need dial up but for those working from home you do need bandwidth to run the applications that organizations use to run their businesses these days that's long before you get to live zoom etc.

You can tell the crap Australian internet with many of the live takes on TV since COVID started.
 
"Build it and they will come"

Economies of scale would indicate its cheaper to give it to everyone than roll it out piecemeal.

The whole issue has been a political w@nk by the LNP. Labor had a good idea, so it must be destroyed.

Disgusting really.
 
Waste of money from day one, it was the telco's responsibility to upgrade it, not the taxpayer's. At least now those who want it will have to use it, i would much prefer a complete wireless connection for the portability, but we have been over this thousands of times and the arguments are still the same.
This is the reality:

NBN fibre upgrade a defence against looming 5G assault

NBN Co's $3.5 billion fibre upgrade plan is designed to make Telstra and the other telcos reconsider their ambitions ahead of next year's 5G spectrum auctions.
www.smh.com.au
From the article:

The Morrison government’s $3.5 billion upgrade path for the National Broadband Network has less to do with gold plating connections for select homes and businesses than sending a clear message to telcos, most notably Telstra, to rethink their 5G ambitions.

It's a defensive move that gives Telstra, Optus and TPG food for thought as they gear up to bid for lucrative 5G spectrum coming up for auction next year. It's also an acknowledgement from NBN Co that it needs to stay a step ahead of the competitive threat posed by 5G services.
While NBN Co was always going to lose some homes to fixed-wireless services, which deliver a better return to the telcos, the magnitude of the threat posed by 5G has increased considerably in recent months. Reselling NBN fixed-line plans remains an unhappy endeavour for the telcos as the high wholesale prices leave little on the table for the resellers.

At least now those who want fibre to the home and use it will contribute and those that don't want high speed or a connection at all, wont be paying for the last mile. win/win IMO
The NBN to me is a bit like the taxpayer putting batteries in every house and AGL etc charging you more for the privilege of using them.
A lot of people just want a phone and they paid next to nothing for it, now they have a box that costs lots more and fails when the power fails. ?
Just my opinion.
 
sptrawler said:
Waste of money from day one, it was the telco's responsibility to upgrade it, not the taxpayer's.
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I see a distinct similarity with the energy situation.

Plan.

Need one of those before building things. A plan for what the ultimate outcome looks like be that fixed or mobile (or coal or solar) etc.

Just building bits of infrastructure randomly, in any situation from roads to water, with no proper plan on how it's all going to worth together is akin to choosing stocks by throwing darts at the sharemarket page in the newspaper. Gambling at best.

Plan a proper communications network and build it.

Plan a properly reliable power supply which is acceptable environmentally etc and build it.

Etc. In both cases that planning will take into account what's already there, what its useful remaining life is both in terms of wearing out and being relevant, and decide how to proceed. Then it's just a matter of getting on and building it.
 
Liberal Ministers Reaffirm Position That Marriage Is A Sacred Union Between A Woman, A Man And His Bit On The Side



Government Ministers Alan Tudge and Christian Porter have come out swinging following last night’s Four Corner’s investigation, saying they’ve always believed in the traditional definition of marriage, which is between a man and woman and another woman.

Mr Tudge, who campaigned strongly against same-sex marriage laws in 2017, said the whole notion of marriage was about providing a loving bond for the benefit of children.

“My view is that marriage is an institution that traditionally has been about creating a bond for the creation, love and care of children. A marriage is about giving a child a biological mother and a biological father. And a step mother and a half sister,” Mr Tudge said.

Mr Porter said he was a man of family values. “I have my traditional family in Perth and my fun family in Canberra. It’s all about families for me,” he said.

“It’s not my role to tell other people how to live their lives, but that’s what I do anyway”

Liberal Ministers Reaffirm Position That Marriage Is A Sacred Union Between A Woman, A Man And His Bit On The Side — The Shovel

"It's about giving a child a biological mother and father. And a step mother and a half sister,”
www.theshovel.com.au
 
I wonder if Porter exited WA politics because Barney wouldn't cop his behaviour?

It was unusual because he would have been a shoe in for leader after Barney I would have thought.
 
Whoops! Federal Court Accidentally Fines Government Wrong Amount For Robodebt Compensation Claim

In what has been described as an ‘administrative error’, the Federal Court has ordered the Government to pay Robodebt victims $120 billion, instead of the originally agreed amount of $1.2 billion. The Government will be required to pay the higher amount anyway.

When asked to explain how the figures were calculated, a spokesperson for the victims said it was based on complex maths that they wouldn’t understand.

“We’ve used algorithms and big formulas which you don’t need to worry about. Just pay the amount listed on the piece of paper we sent you and all of this will go away”.

When pushed further, the spokesperson explained, “We’ve used an income averaging method, which takes an average of the money owed, multiplies it by ten and then adds a zero. It’s 100% accurate around 8% of the time”.

When Government officials pointed out that the amount was incorrect the victims’ spokesperson said, “prove it”.

Whoops! Federal Court Accidentally Fines Government Wrong Amount For Robodebt Compensation Claim — The Shovel

"It's based on complex maths that you wouldn’t understand"
www.theshovel.com.au
 
From Schmuck himself early in the year;

“Matt Kean doesn’t know what he’s talking about; he doesn’t know what’s going on in the federal cabinet [and] most of the federal cabinet wouldn’t even know who Matt Kean was.”

Yet another example of both Slowmo's and his cabinets boundless ignorance;
And this week:
"Let’s not underestimate what the NSW energy and environment minister, Matt Kean, pulled off on Wednesday when the state parliament finally passed the Electricity Infrastructure Investment Bill,"
"The bill will unlock $32 billion of investment over the next decade, and will deliver 12 gigawatts of renewable energy and 2GW of storage in five zones across NSW, creating 6300 construction jobs and 2800 ongoing jobs, and lowering average household electricity prices"....

The Steggel model is lasering in on the 'Brillo' topped bozo Craig Kelly & others... Schmuck with a one seat majority; the worm squirms...
 
So it should, the States are responsible for their elecricity networks, they are the ones who either own or privatised their infrastructure, they should be taking steps to faciltate those who have the stranded assets to have the ability to transition to renewables.
Its funny how the Federal Government is responsible for the States problem, until the States can make some political mileage, then all of a sudden the States man up and tell the Federal Government to butt out of State business.
There are a lot of shrills on here.
 


No excuses for Craig Kelly I am afraid and the Morrison government has more pork barrel / scandal skeletons in the cupboard than anyone before them.

See Robo debt was inline for use of the pork barrel fund?

People died for those low life's.
 
IFocus said:
No excuses for Craig Kelly I am afraid and the Morrison government has more pork barrel / scandal skeletons in the cupboard than anyone before them.

See Robo debt was inline for use of the pork barrel fund?

People died for those low life's.
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I suppose now Trump's gone, you have to move on to someone else.
It will be interesting to see when Labor get in, if they stop the ATO from computer benchmarking and data matching, I think not.
By the way, people died from pink batts and I forked out for batts and robo debt go figure.
Maybe it was a shame pork barreling went on then, rather than jobseeker and jobkeeper, no it was shonky school canteens and fly by night batt installers.
But hey let's forget the history.lol
Talk about lack of gratitude and tribal politics, luckily you will get what you sow IMO.
 
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