The ScoMo Government

qldfrog said:

And i think a few critical thinking would be welcome for anything related to global warming indeed
I know it is a poor consolation but it is slso definitively a problem in western europe as well, union being replaced by leftist teachers, and lawyers

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How smoky is it around your area froggy ?

Bushfires/grassfires over virtually the whole mainlaind. Unprecedented.

Don't tell me it's just the weather.

SirRumpole said:

How smoky is it around your area froggy ?

Bushfires/grassfires over virtually the whole mainlaind. Unprecedented.

Don't tell me it's just the weather.

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Have you been living in the country..i mean rural? If so you know why australia is now burning.
if not be a good ABC drone and blame global warming
Yes we are in a drough ..one of the bad one but not worst in any way than the federation one
What is worst is the state of the land
My 16ha needs a burn off.needed it 20y ago but it was already turned down at the time due to new building construction on the other side of the mountain
20y later, any fire will be of terrible cataclysmic size and i got 5 new houses neighbour none rural people...
There is global warmig happening, i think..i say i think as the propaganda is so strong it is impossible to access unbiaised data, but yes i think climate is changing.
No i do not think it is in any significant way caused by the co2 or ch4 emissions.
But global warming or not, these fires are basically caused by a drought..fair enough... we are a land of drought and flood, and reaching a potentially unseen gravity due to land neglect and environmental laws
Burnoff have been insufficient since the 2000 , no tree can be cut, even the ones i planted e.
if we were trying to fix the situation now, we have 2 decades of horror ahead minimum
Aborigines cared for the land via the fires, then farmers did then government took control...
http://www.newsweekly.com.au/nwmobile/article.php?id=58792
For a few facts on how bad it is now
I was using my fire pump to transfer water at 6pm today.
And i have trouble to be given lessons by some idiots there..not you ..same when given lectures on sciences and co2 by uneducated brainwashed y12 level fanaticsi
i worked for csiro have 5y Uni in science degrees inc thermodynamics and chemistry, and definitely experimental sciences
I was a believer in co2 gw 15y ago until i started finding too many not right issues with the concept and started digging on the issue

I have no definite answer, i know earth poles are shifting which may explain some facts, and it is kept nearly a secret..i find that big.... i also know the sheer heat emission prodused by mankind is enough to explain the lower atmosphere warming, a few other facts: coal was produced when co2 levels where 10 times and more higher than current..not 2 or 5% .a.1000%plus yet earth was not boiling, greenhouse gases works in logarithmic scale doubling co2 will not double the effect in anyway, most of the greenhouse effect is already there and concentration does not matter that much

The story is not right..
From a sustained world view, the less fossil fuel the better, but stop the co2 blaming.look at bloody overpopulation
Things like co2 capture are an absolute disaster..we are looking at effects and mistaking them as cause....
Same same as the time when we thought the sun was circling the earth..and the troglodytes are there too..
So enjoy a steak if you want and instead of closing a coal mine, allow more budget for controlled burn done intelligently and you will help me or other Australians who could be fighting for their life due to government let down..and a few other issues volonteering, forced evacuation, etc, H&S regulations etc

From one of Australia's better writers;

"Many political commentators tend to view Morrison as some political genius, the winner of the unwinnable election. But history may judge him differently: a Brezhnevian figure; the last of the dinosaurs, presiding over an era of stagnation at the head of a dying political class imprisoned within and believing its own vast raft of lies as the world lived a fundamentally different reality of economic decay, environmental pillage and social breakdown.

A corrupted, sclerotic system incapable of the change needed, surviving only by and through a dull repression of dissent and dissenters can, nevertheless, seem eternal – until the hour it crumbles. At some point something gives. Something always gives. The longer the impasse, the more denied the common voice, the greater and more terrible that future moment."

An eloquent synopsis .... Thank you Richard Flanagan.

orr said:

From one of Australia's better writers;

"Many political commentators tend to view Morrison as some political genius, the winner of the unwinnable election. But history may judge him differently: a Brezhnevian figure; the last of the dinosaurs, presiding over an era of stagnation at the head of a dying political class imprisoned within and believing its own vast raft of lies as the world lived a fundamentally different reality of economic decay, environmental pillage and social breakdown.

A corrupted, sclerotic system incapable of the change needed, surviving only by and through a dull repression of dissent and dissenters can, nevertheless, seem eternal – until the hour it crumbles. At some point something gives. Something always gives. The longer the impasse, the more denied the common voice, the greater and more terrible that future moment."

An eloquent synopsis .... Thank you Richard Flanagan.

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I wonder if the same would have been written about Shorten?

moXJO said:

I wonder if the same would have been written about Shorten?

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One difference (and few others) would have been that the cobbled together 'NEG' would have been a step away for that being written about Shorten.

But to know that you would have to have a memory?
And to quote Milan Kundera "the fight against power is the fight against forgetting"

Ramming through the union integrity bill while Westpac execs continue on
Lol
I think they’re attacking the wrong organisations

Given the revelations of Chinese spying in Australia and a possible assassination of an Australian citizen, can we continue to allow this sort of thing to occur ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11...0-million-bid-for-aussie-dairy-icons/11735408

Angus Taylor in a pickle.
Exactly who was responsible for making up a set of fake figures in an official letter to Cover Moore ?

NSW police investigating doctored document Angus Taylor used in Clover Moore attack
Strike Force Garrad will investigate whether any criminal offences have taken place

Angus Taylor during question time in parliament in October. The energy minister relied on figures he later admitted were false to mount an attack on Sydney’s lord mayor, Clover Moore. NSW police have confirmed they are investigating whether a criminal offence has been committed. Photograph: Mike Bowers/The Guardian
New South Wales police have contacted the City of Sydney requesting information about downloads of its 2017-18 annual report after an altered version was relied upon by the minister for energy, Angus Taylor, to lash the lord mayor, Clover Moore, over the council’s carbon footprint and accuse her of hypocrisy.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ment-angus-taylor-used-in-clover-moore-attack

Morrison phoning NSW police?Has this got anything to do with the separation of powers?

chiff said:

Morrison phoning NSW police?Has this got anything to do with the separation of powers?

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Indeed it does...not.

I believe it was some vague old fashioned notion about keeping the politicians out of police investigations in case someone thought a particular investigation wasn't going the right way..

It's like that other old vague old fashioned notion that if a Minister is being investigated by police they should stand aside until investigations are completed. Just to show that the Government is serious about letting due process take its course without fear or favour.

It has always happened. Morrison was just checking if there was any hard evidence before he backed up his minister.

One good thing I will say about SM is that he always does stuff out in the open. He isn't tricky like Abbott and Turnbull.

Knobby22 said:

It has always happened. Morrison was just checking if there was any hard evidence before he backed up his minister.

One good thing I will say about SM is that he always does stuff out in the open. He isn't tricky like Abbott and Turnbull.

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Did the cops have time to investigate the claim?

chiff said:

Did the cops have time to investigate the claim?

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Well they are going to but personally I think it's a pretty untraceable crime.
My guess is a junior staffer did it or found it on some dodgy site, gave it to the minister who as we all know from Utopia would definitely be stupid enough to release it.

Knobby22 said:

Well they are going to but personally I think it's a pretty untraceable crime.
My guess is a junior staffer did it or found it on some dodgy site, gave it to the minister who as we all know from Utopia would definitely be stupid enough to release it.

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The buck stops at the top I'm afraid.

Taylor has to go, he used a fraudulent document and probably misled Parliament.

SirRumpole said:

The buck stops at the top I'm afraid.

Taylor has to go, he used a fraudulent document and probably misled Parliament.

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I agree but the convention has been ignored in Australia for the last 20 years. Can you think of any minister that has gone in that time?

Humid said:

Ramming through the union integrity bill while Westpac execs continue on
Lol
I think they’re attacking the wrong organisations

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CEO picks up a lazy $2mil plus on the way out........

Knobby22 said:

I agree but the convention has been ignored in Australia for the last 20 years. Can you think of any minister that has gone in that time?

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What I think is that the police

Knobby22 said:

Well they are going to but personally I think it's a pretty untraceable crime.
My guess is a junior staffer did it or found it on some dodgy site, gave it to the minister who as we all know from Utopia would definitely be stupid enough to release it.

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The old politcal adage -if you can't win an argument stuff it up" The question we have got away from is -did Taylor mislead parliament?

Robo Debt

Who could have imagined that simply using a short window of time for an unemployed persons income and stretching it over a full year could possibly create a mistake. ?

And then sending a Letter of Demand for over-payments based on such a misconstrued contrivance ?

And then following it with Debt collectors, penalty notices, garnishing bank ccounts ?

All done with the intent of clawing billions of dollar from the poorest people in the country and driving many to despair, bankruptcy and suicide .

It was always an evil, criminal act.

Now a Federal Court has ruled hat anyone with two functioning neurones was able to recognise.




Federal Court rules robodebt 'unlawful' in significant court case

Wednesday 27 November 2019 3:41pm

By Shalailah Medhora

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The Federal Government has suffered a significant setback in its automated debt recovery system, known as robodebt, with the Federal Court finding that the debt of a plaintiff was unlawful.

Victoria Legal Aid brought forward the challenge on behalf of a 33-year-old woman who had a debt of more than $2900 raised against her by the Department of Human Services, which runs Centrelink.

Justice Jennifer Davies found that the court "could not have been satisfied that a debt was owed in the amount of the alleged debt".

The judgement said "the demand for payment of an alleged debt... was not validly made", and that garnishing the plaintiff's tax return was "not a lawful issued notice".

She ruled that the Commonwealth must reimburse her interest of $92.06, and pay her legal fees. The Department had waived its debt of $1709.87 against plaintiff Deanna Amato prior to the court ruling.

"It feels amazing. You can feel so small and helpless next to the Government, but I am so glad that the unfair and ultimately unlawful aspects of this system have been brought to light," Ms Amato said in a statement.
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/federal-government-loses-major-robodebt-case/11742494

There is an excellent analysis of the history and rationale behind the Robo Debt debacle.
Truly, deeply, madly insane...
The robodebt horror was all about boosting the budget. That's the brutal truth
Katharine Murphy
Who in the Morrison government will own the consequences of this wretched, possibly unlawful, scheme?

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‘The government conceded a $2,500 debt raised against Deanna Amato, a 34-year-old local government employee, was not lawful because it relied on income averaging.’ Photograph: Supplied by Victoria Legal Aid

Bill Shorten rose in the House on Thursday, immediately after another bruising question time focused on the Angus Taylor imbroglio, and just before Pauline Hanson theatrically stiffed Scott Morrison on the union integrity bill, to ask a simple question – Who is responsible for this mistake?

Who will own the consequences of this botch-up seems a quaint sort of question to ask in politics these days. It implies that people in public life remain accountable for things, despite the steady erosion in standards, despite the tendency of some in politics to manufacture their own facts when the truth gets uncomfortable.

Shorten was speaking in this particular instance about robodebt, which in many respects is the most gobsmacking story of the political week. A quick recap in case these events flew under your radar.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ut-boosting-the-budget-thats-the-brutal-truth

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