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Labor vote and you'll get a high speed train from Sydney to Melbourne. Yes, all the contracts will be awarded to corrupt bikie/union associates of labor but at least we'll get something useful. Vote for libs and we'll end up with tanks? This is complete corruption. We do not need tanks. Who are we defending ourselves from? They'll probably be used to kill our own citizens before killing any foreign army.Over 120 tanks, armoured vehicles secured
Australia has secured 127 tanks and armoured vehicles under two projects which the defence minister says will prove critical to future land operations.www.perthnow.com.au
Well we haven't deployed one since Vietnam but hey
A union run job will be safer and award good pay and conditions and the money will be spent here.Labor vote and you'll get a high speed train from Sydney to Melbourne. Yes, all the contracts will be awarded to corrupt bikie/union associates of labor but at least we'll get something useful. Vote for libs and we'll end up with tanks? This is complete corruption. We do not need tanks. Who are we defending ourselves from? They'll probably be used to kill our own citizens before killing any foreign army.
Amazing that people still support a republic with these degenerates running our government. Terrible idea... let's add even more of these pigs... I'd gladly replace all of them with Will and Kate. And Andrew would fit right in with the Hillsong liberals and nationals.
Unfortunately we'll have to endure the insufferable Charles firstLabor vote and you'll get a high speed train from Sydney to Melbourne. Yes, all the contracts will be awarded to corrupt bikie/union associates of labor but at least we'll get something useful. Vote for libs and we'll end up with tanks? This is complete corruption. We do not need tanks. Who are we defending ourselves from? They'll probably be used to kill our own citizens before killing any foreign army.
Amazing that people still support a republic with these degenerates running our government. Terrible idea... let's add even more of these pigs... I'd gladly replace all of them with Will and Kate. And Andrew would fit right in with the Hillsong liberals and nationals.
One of the only private organisations capable of funding a project this size is CBUS and maybe some dollars from QIC . That would mean EBA conditions and rates. LNP can't allow that to happen on principle.A union run job will be safer and award good pay and conditions and the money will be spent here.
A LNP labour hire job will be poor pay and conditions and the money will go to corperates
Labor vote and you'll get a high speed train from Sydney to Melbourne.
Do you know why people work for places like the Grattan Institute? It's because they are generally useless and can't cut it in private industry. It was pretty well set-up by ex McKiney people and politicians. It's about the same as having Ghislaine Maxwell set-up a womens shelter. The entire premise of these institutes is to have a relaxing job and cause as much confusion and doubt as possible (just like management consultants) to enable them to receive more funding to sort out the confusion and doubt that they created with their incompetence.Another Grand Design doomed to failure ?
'Move on': Report pours cold water on renewed calls for high-speed east coast rail
Australia should abandon the idea of a bullet train and governments should stop wasting public money to study proposals, according to a new report by the Grattan Institute.www.abc.net.au
Do you know why people work for places like the Grattan Institute? It's because they are generally useless and can't cut it in private industry. It was pretty well set-up by ex McKiney people and politicians. It's about the same as having Ghislaine Maxwell set-up a womens shelter. The entire premise of these institutes is to have a relaxing job and cause as much confusion and doubt as possible (just like management consultants) to enable them to receive more funding to sort out the confusion and doubt that they created with their incompetence.
It's not always about recouping costs and being zero carbon. Australia would be better off with high speed train links. And these kinds of studies can be manipulated in any way to produce whatever outcome you want. Change cost of capital, adjust population estimates, increase or decrease this rate, that rate, this forecast that forecast.
Our politicians need some kind of vision for Australia beyond drinking piss, watching sport, and funneling money to their mates. What has the federal government done in the past 15 years? NBN? Subs? Anything else for all the debt we incurred (especially under the supposedly fiscally responsible right leaning liberals)
And whatever the cost estimate, remember to x5....Can you provide a cost benefit analysis that says high speed rail is worth the cost ?
If it is, then I'd certainly support it.
That was exactly my point. You can't do an accurate cost benefit analysis. And even if you could, not everything the government does should be viewed in terms of cost benefit. I could use cost benefit analysis to justify capital punishment, forced sterilisation, all kinds of things we wouldn't generally accept as a society (well I don't mind death penalty) Is there a positive cost benefit analysis on welfare? submarines? tanks? job keeper payments to Harvey Norman? A statue in a park?Can you provide a cost benefit analysis that says high speed rail is worth the cost ?
If it is, then I'd certainly support it.
It kind of reminds me of my Range Rover. I absolutely love it, but holy sh¹t the $$$That was exactly my point. You can't do an accurate cost benefit analysis. And even if you could, not everything the government does should be viewed in terms of cost benefit. I could use cost benefit analysis to justify capital punishment, forced sterilisation, all kinds of things we wouldn't generally accept as a society (well I don't mind death penalty) Is there a positive cost benefit analysis on welfare? submarines? tanks? job keeper payments to Harvey Norman? A statue in a park?
As an aside - Sydney Opera house was probably regarded as one of the biggest project management failures of all time. If they knew the true cost at the time it would never have been built. Doubt it will ever pay itself back. But I'd be willing to bet that most people today are glad it was built. I think cost estimates need to be accurate - but they don't always need to show that they 'make money' for the government.
I'm not sure you can compare a work of art with facilities that are supposed to provide a practical benefit (as distinct from a profit) however I agree that money return isn't everything.That was exactly my point. You can't do an accurate cost benefit analysis. And even if you could, not everything the government does should be viewed in terms of cost benefit. I could use cost benefit analysis to justify capital punishment, forced sterilisation, all kinds of things we wouldn't generally accept as a society (well I don't mind death penalty) Is there a positive cost benefit analysis on welfare? submarines? tanks? job keeper payments to Harvey Norman? A statue in a park?
As an aside - Sydney Opera house was probably regarded as one of the biggest project management failures of all time. If they knew the true cost at the time it would never have been built. Doubt it will ever pay itself back. But I'd be willing to bet that most people today are glad it was built. I think cost estimates need to be accurate - but they don't always need to show that they 'make money' for the government.
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