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Trouble is, the broad concept is equally true if you go back 18 months to a time when "COVID" wasn't a term anyone would have recognised.The states have done all the heavy lifting as far as COVID goes taking on federal responsibilities such as quarantine and in some cases age care.
In amongst this they have been attacked by the federal government for closing borders while the feds bar you from even leaving Australia while stopping Australians from entering Australia while letting their mates out / back in, not a good look.
Both are seriously lacking in ability to take a comprehensive, unbiased approach to any situation without trying to skew it for political gain.
For the reason that it would be the Coalition being talked about if Labor had been in government for years and made a mess.I think everyone understands politics is played no matter who is in the game, but I don't understand why Labor is talked about as though they are or have been in government.
penalty rates get stripped from the weakest making SFA difference, running secret trials and convicting people in secret (can anyone really believe this?...silence), robo debt totally illegal (was it 2000 suicides), Ministers clearly having conflict of interests, a rape in a ministers office covered up, $10's / $100's of millions clearly corruptly distributed for political gain
For the reason that it would be the Coalition being talked about if Labor had been in government for years and made a mess.
In any situation where someone proposes a change, the onus is on them to convince those making the decision that the proposed change warrants the risk of uncertainty versus the devil they know.
That goes for anything from who runs the country through to your household appliances. If there's something already in place and I'm proposing to get rid of that and replace it, well the onus is on me to convince whoever's making the decision that this would be a good idea. In the absence of that, by default the existing arrangement is the lower risk option since its downsides are known.
It also comes back to the point you make:
And yet despite all that and much more, Labor still hasn't managed to win in recent years.
That's a bit like saying that if I'm a runner, and I turn up at the track and find that there's a few real professional athletes there including one who really did go to the Olympics well then I've got a pretty good excuse for not winning that race. Nobody's going to say I'm crap if the competition was clearly brilliant and I still finished in a respectable time. Even the harshest critic is likely to point to the professionals and that they were bound to win.
If however I turn up at the same track and there's an assortment of unfit, overweight people wearing gumboots well then I'll be judged far more harshly if I don't win that race. Given how hopeless the competition is, it's an equally harsh reflection on me if I can't beat them.
Personally I'm not rusted on to either party but I can see why Labor hasn't been winning elections at the federal level. In short, the party hasn't convinced the masses that it has real, actual solutions to the problems so many are facing indeed it seems uncomfortably close to those who want more of the same.
That latter bit's what does the real damage in my view. Being perceived as too close to the wrong people.
The Coalition is shocking in my view but if Labor wants to change that, if they want to get elected, well the onus is on them to convince the masses that they actually do have a better plan. That they've failed to so is a failing in itself and that weakness ultimately enables the Coalition to get away with so much.
Or in other words - a weak opposition begets poor government and vice versa, a strong opposition forces the government to lift their game too.
As you rightly infer, Labor has to get back to supporting the ordinary worker, the people who get up every day and go to work and pay their taxes. Any sign that Labor is going to spend big will have these people wondering whether they are going to pick up the bill.
I think Labor can win, both you and Rumpy have nailed it, the coalition have had every opportunity to enact change, they have done nothing but tread water.I am not sure too many think they are ordinary workers any more, upwardly mobile, investors, (is there anyone not using negative gearing), contract labour, subies, endless part time / causal workers, all non unionised believing Morrison is just a daggy dad wouldn't hurt anyone (unless you are a boat refugee left to rot, Robo debt, bush fire victims or community club in Labor seats, stunningly successful female CEO of Australia Post and so on... note a trend here).
The majority have voted for the above and are likely to again next election.
The wealth division in Australia widens every day accelerating under this government as they feed cheap labour to their sponsors while importing skilled work forces keeping unions out of the picture...all with no wages growth.
Truly a win win.
Can Labor win? every chance they wont.
How can I like this twiceI am not sure too many think they are ordinary workers any more, upwardly mobile, investors, (is there anyone not using negative gearing), contract labour, subies, endless part time / causal workers, all non unionised believing Morrison is just a daggy dad wouldn't hurt anyone (unless you are a boat refugee left to rot, Robo debt, bush fire victims or community club in Labor seats, stunningly successful female CEO of Australia Post and so on... note a trend here).
The majority have voted for the above and are likely to again next election.
The wealth division in Australia widens every day accelerating under this government as they feed cheap labour to their sponsors while importing skilled work forces keeping unions out of the picture...all with no wages growth.
Truly a win win.
Can Labor win? every chance they wont.
Which is basically what was proposed.
Point 2 - stopping the refund of excess tax paid for those who simply don't earn enough to have been required to pay it, whilst continuing to fully impute that tax paid for higher income individuals, fits within that pretty well.
That's the single most regressive policy I can recall seeing from any side of politics in a very long time.
It could apply to anyone but there's a "class" element in that it's blue collar and other non-profession workers who tend to end up on the scrapheap through no fault of their own. They're the ones who know they need investments outside super and may well be living on that for a decade or more. The smart ones have generally worked that out at a pretty young age.
The guy can't even navigate stairs.Look at the constant attack on Andrews
Mate I voted for McGowan, I know sod all about Andrews, but throwing blame around on both sides seems to be the order of the day.Im glad
Imagine you lot on here if Labor had been in charge
Look at the constant attack on Andrews compared with Morrison even though quarantine is a federal responsibilty....anyway Im off to the pub to SECURE myself a pint....
Maaaaaate I can assure you on a Scomo thread I can find enough faults with the current feds not to mention Labor it comes from the likes of youMate I voted for McGowan, I know sod all about Andrews, but throwing blame around on both sides seems to be the order of the day.
But it doesn't work well with 'normal' voters, blaming the States then saying it's a Federal responsibility.
Then blaming the Federal, then saying it is a State responsibility, just confuses and pizzes people off, because it is seen as a cop out.
I just hope that isn't rolled out as an election plan, that will backfire worse than the last election, what is and isn't the States responsibility has become obvious, when Morrison said open the borders and the Premiers said "sod off".
Quarantine and border closures got McGowan a lot of credibility, taking ownership of State issues and responsibilities, that's why I voted for him.
We don't need the P.M to look after W.A's bushfires, border closures or quarantine, we are managing it all fine.
There is no wonder a Republic can never get up, when everyone is looking for someone to blame.
Who BidenThe guy can't even navigate stairs.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaate, you wouldn't vote for anything other than Labor, even if you were threatened with death, but unfortunately you are a minority.Maaaaaate I can assure you on a Scomo thread I can find enough faults with the current feds not to mention Labor it comes from the likes of you
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