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The Pope can see what many atheist greens will not
George Monbiot
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Pope Francis reminds us that our relationship to the natural world is about love, not just goods and services
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Wednesday 17 June 2015 04.39 AEST
Who wants to see the living world destroyed? Who wants an end to birdsong, bees and coral reefs, the falcon’s stoop, the salmon’s leap? Who wants to see the soil stripped from the land, the sea rimed with rubbish?
No one. And yet it happens. Seven billion of us allow fossil fuel companies to push shut the narrow atmospheric door through which humanity stepped. We permit industrial farming to tear away the soil, banish trees from the hills, engineer another silent spring. We let the owners of grouse moors, 1% of the 1%, shoot and poison hen harriers, peregrines and eagles. We watch mutely as a small fleet of monster fishing ships trashes the oceans.
Why are the defenders of the living world so ineffective? It is partly, of course, that everyone is complicit; we have all been swept off our feet by the tide of hyperconsumption, our natural greed excited, corporate propaganda chiming with a will to believe that there is no cost. But perhaps environmentalism is also afflicted by a deeper failure: arising possibly from embarrassment or fear, a failure of emotional honesty.
‘We have all been swept off our feet by the tide of hyperconsumption, our natural greed excited, corporate propaganda chiming with a will to believe that there is no cost’.
I have asked meetings of green-minded people to raise their hands if they became defenders of nature because they were worried about the state of their bank accounts. Never has one hand appeared. Yet I see the same people base their appeal to others on the argument that they will lose money if we don’t protect the natural world.
Such claims are factual, but they are also dishonest: we pretend that this is what animates us, when in most cases it does not. The reality is that we care because we love. Nature appealed to our hearts, when we were children, long before it appealed to our heads, let alone our pockets. Yet we seem to believe we can persuade people to change their lives through the cold, mechanical power of reason, supported by statistics.
I see the encyclical by Pope Francis, which will be published on Thursday, as a potential turning point. He will argue that not only the physical survival of the poor, but also our spiritual welfare depends on the protection of the natural world; and in both respects he is right.
So the Pope has gone green?
Land rights for catholic gay whales NOW !
Maybe there's hope that Tony Abbott listens to his Spiritual Leader.
After all, Jesuits are Catholics and therefore bound to follow the Pope's infallible utterings - right?
Maybe there's hope that Tony Abbott listens to his Spiritual Leader.
After all, Jesuits are Catholics and therefore bound to follow the Pope's infallible utterings - right?
Maybe there's hope that Tony Abbott listens to his Spiritual Leader.
After all, Jesuits are Catholics and therefore bound to follow the Pope's infallible utterings - right?
Maybe there's hope that Tony Abbott listens to his Spiritual Leader.
After all, Jesuits are Catholics and therefore bound to follow the Pope's infallible utterings - right?
Who wants to see the living world destroyed? Who wants an end to birdsong, bees and coral reefs, the falcon’s stoop, the salmon’s leap? Who wants to see the soil stripped from the land, the sea rimed with rubbish?
So the pope asks.
I would suggest the vast majority of atheists don't want that, we believe this life is the only one we get.
However, A lot of religious people can't wait for the end times, the rapture, read the book of revelations in the bible and it tells a dark story about the world ending, A lot of fundamental Christians get excited about the thought of the end of the world and the rapture.
preachers such as these guys are excited to see terrible things happening.
but it's a pity you can't give some credit to the Pope for what he said about climate change (and the influence this will have on his followers) instead of just bagging some bizarre religious sects that have little to do with the Pope.
It's not a bizarre religious sect that wants the world to end, it's the bible, the very book the pope holds dear, and claims is the word of God, it predicts the world with be destroyed, and claims it's a good thing to look forward to.
That may be your interpretation, but if the Pope wanted the world to end he wouldn't be bothering about climate change.
The Pope has never put a gun at your head, unlike Kim Jong-un -- your idol.
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You can listen to him or not
There is no interpretation required. That particular piece was written by some fella named John interred on the island of Patmos circa AD100 by the romans for worshipping Christ. He had one of those nights where he had too many magic mushrooms, liquid amber, ice, whatever and dreamed about seven shiny lamps, a bloke lit up like a xmas tree, a sword, etc. The lamps are symbols for the seven Asia Minor Christian church groups, the neon bloke is Jesus, the sword coming out of Jesus' mouth is the word of God, etc
, but if the Pope wanted the world to end he wouldn't be bothering about climate change.
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