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Interesting that Labor has said nix about this.

But Albo is a Catholic after all.

The Pope has got his hooks in everywhere.
 
sptrawler said:
It isn't a concern, it is an observation of a poorly worded headline.
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Given the content was consistent with the headline I think you have the wrong article.
Anyway, headlines are notorious for selling a story rather than enlightenment.
You deserve a special thread at ASF for your media concerns. Most young people are tapped into social media for the reasons you are often yabbering on about.
 
There is a very good reason for that, the media is hopeless.
Lisa Wilkinson upset because the media trash talks her, yet she makes her living on a chat show, which on ocassions does the same.
The headline about the school infered that the people who pay the fees should have a say in how the school is run, when in reality if the people dont like how the school is run dont pay the money and use another school.
If that was a representation of the article, it was a poorly written headline, or it was a deceptive headline.
 
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sptrawler said:
There is a very good reason for that, the media is hopeless.
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I guess a lot depends on what and where you quote from.
We have folk here that prefer tweets.
Then we have those who quote absolute bunkum and proven falsehoods, time and again.
I scroll through various MSM sites to see what's happening each day, and seldom read whole articles.
However, if I ever want something more in depth I can usually find cross coverages via Google/DuckDuckGo or YouTube.
I enjoy the Bolt Report for sheer entertainment... the man is a total drongo!
 
As with most perceptions, people read and accept what most aligns with their own beliefs, whether it is right or wrong is mostly subjective.
There will be just as many people think Bolt is a guru as think he is a drongo.
I have never watched him so I dont have an opinion of him.
 
rederob said:
Yep, and they don't believe in climate change, vaxxing, gay marriage or that Biden won the election.
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That's just stereotyping them because you disagree with them. Your making the assumption that everything you believe in is right and everything Bolt belives in is wrong, that is flawed reasoning.
 
sptrawler said:
That's just stereotyping them because you disagree with them. Your making the assumption that everything you believe in is right and everything Bolt belives in is wrong, that is flawed reasoning.
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You mean Bolt ignores science, social progress, and facts don't you?
I am not assuming these things so it's not a matter of opinion or stereotyping at all.
On top of all that he's a proven racist!
Finding a drongo was never made easier.
 
rederob said:
You mean Bolt ignores science, social progress, and facts don't you?
I am not assuming these things so it's not a matter of opinion or stereotyping at all.
On top of all that he's a proven racist!
Finding a drongo was never made easier.
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And everyone speaks so well of us. Lol
Like I've said before, I'm not so invested in my own opinion, that I feel I have to change or deride everyone elses. Lol
 
sptrawler said:
And everyone speaks so well of us. Lol
Like I've said before, I'm not so invested in my own opinion, that I feel I have to change or deride everyone elses. Lol
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How is a proof of racism an opinion?
And how are Bolt's views consistent with climate science?
On Gay Marriage Bolt has not changed his views with society which voted in favour of marriage equality.
On covid matters Murdoch media quietly removed the Bolt Report's incriminating - ie conspiracies and falsehoods - uploads from the media.
The man is very much a case of pinning the tale on a donkey.
You need to work out the difference between an opinion and a fact if you are going to rail against the media, as that seems to be your problem.
 
I put forward two examples of the media using ridiculous headlines, I said I have never watched or read Bolt.
The reality is you need to stick to the issue, rather than meandering off on you own narrative by making stuff up to hijack the issue being discussed. ?
You are the one that mentioned Bolt, you have now introduced gay marriage, marriage equality , Murdoch and covid, none of which I mentioned in either of my posts.
My points were about a Lisa Wilkinson article and a school and how the issues were presented in the media headline.

Jeez it is easy to see how the media gets away with the crap they do, even you have adopted the bend. twist and bull$hit format, just talk crap until you have convinced yourself your right, even if it isn't about the issue at hand.
You can probably get help for that condition, fitting a toilet roll under your chin comes to mind. ?
 
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sptrawler said:
I put forward two examples of the media using ridiculous headlines,
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Your opinion only!
sptrawler said:
The reality is you need to stick to the issue,
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This thread is about the MEDIA.
sptrawler said:
You are the one that mentioned Bolt, you have now introduced gay marriage, marriage equality , Murdoch and covid, none of which I mentioned in either of my posts.
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You claimed it was about opinions and I have showed it is not.
sptrawler said:
My points were about a Lisa Wilkinson article and a school and how the issues were presented in the media headline.
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And the headline is wholly consistent with the content, so I disagreed with you on that.
sptrawler said:
Jeez it is easy to see how the media gets away with the crap they do, even you have adopted the bend. twist and bull$hit format,
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Try to separate fact from fiction, or at least opinion, and you might have a case. At the moment you seem to be shooting blanks.
 
rederob said:
Your opinion only!

This thread is about the MEDIA.
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Correct, the the issue was about my post in the thread, which you took completely off on you own tangent as usual, as you have done with this comment. ?
rederob said:
You claimed it was about opinions and I have showed it is not.
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You have explained what your opinion is, that is all. ?
rederob said:
And the headline is wholly consistent with the content, so I disagreed with you on that.
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I have already said the headline was misleading in the case of the school and ironic in the case of Wilkinson, you can disagree as is your right, I still am allowed my opinion despite your objection.
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Try to separate fact from fiction, or at least opinion, and you might have a case. At the moment you seem to be shooting blanks.
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Thanks for reinforcing my ascertains and do try to be less defensive of your left wing rags, you may then attract some credibility.
 
I know I'm always bagged, for bagging the media, but I only look at their headlines and the accompanian script as I am not prepared to pay subscription to every outlet, actually I don't subscript to any they are all $hit IMO.
Therefore their presentation is what I have to form an opinion on, from that I decide whether it is interesting enough to follow up through alternative avenues, or just write it of as chook fodder.
So I read this just now.

Australia ‘arrogant to rebuff China’s ‘olive branch’, says key independent

The comments prompted further Coalition attacks on the Climate 200 independents’ foreign policy credibility.
www.smh.com.au
From the article that you can read:
A leading independent candidate told a Chinese community group Australia was “arrogant” not to accept an “olive branch” from Beijing in comments that have prompted further Coalition attacks on the Climate 200 independents’ foreign policy credibility.
North Sydney candidate Kylea Tink, one of the so-called ‘teal’ independents who is receiving aid from Simon Holmes a Court’s Climate 200, has fronted a number of Chinese organisations and networks in her bid to win the seat from Liberal MP Trent Zimmerman.

I ask myself when reading that, did Hong Kong expect what is happening now, when the handing over ceremony from the U.K happened and they were told nothing would change.
 
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According to this (and a million others) media article there is only the labor or coalition in this election.

Although the common narrative is that the media (Murdoch/Nine) are pro-liberal anti-labor the truth is that they can control either one and are thus pro-'either one' just as long as independents and minor parties don't have the balance of power or any power. The average voter would have absolutely no idea who any of the other parties were unless they went on the AEC website and searched - even then you'd have to get back on google and check out each party/candidate. The ABC has a decent webpage for telling you who candidates are - but it really pushes greens and their 'vote compass' thing is junk and should be banned by the AEC. Last on my ballot paper was actually the LNP/ALP/Greens - in that order and below is the result I "got" Where are the other parties???

Once again - the Media are pushing people hard to not vote for independents or small parties.

 
Great article from Harvard Business Review about media manipulation and the role of government and corporations. Written in 1995 pre mainstream internet it would seem cynical 27 years ago but rather accurate now. Quite a long read. It popped up today so they must have reprinted the article recently. I copied a few quotes below which are very on point today.

....Much of what appears in the press as business news is corporate propaganda.

....Yet when people don’t have personal experience or sound information, they can easily be persuaded by a crisis story.

....Most members of the media are ill-equipped to judge a technical study,

...advocates of policy positions and companies promoting products misuse scientific research to further their objectives....more and more of the information we use to buy, elect, advise, acquit and heal has been created not to expand our knowledge but to sell a product or advance a cause.

....the media’s desire for drama encourages the distortion and corruption of public decision making.

....high schools should teach students the basics of statistics and how to tell whether numbers are believable.

Why the News Is Not the Truth

Both the media and the government thrive on crises. When none exist, they create them.
hbr.org
 
Another article on my pet hate and probably explains some people's behaviour when commenting on current affairs topics.

Psychology: Why bad news dominates the headlines

Why is the news filled with disaster and corruption? It may be because we’re drawn to depressing stories without realising, says psychologist Tom Stafford
www.bbc.com
From the article:
Many people often say that they would prefer good news: but is that actually true?

To explore this possibility, researchers Marc Trussler and Stuart Soroka, set up an experiment, run at McGill University in Canada. They were dissatisfied with previous research on how people relate to the news – either the studies were uncontrolled (letting people browse news at home, for example, where you can't even tell who is using the computer), or they were unrealistic (inviting them to select stories in the lab, where every participant knew their choices would be closely watched by the experimenter). So, the team decided to try a new strategy: deception.
Trick question
Trussler and Soroka invited participants from their university to come to the lab for "a study of eye tracking". The volunteers were first asked to select some stories about politics to read from a news website so that a camera could make some baseline eye-tracking measures. It was important, they were told, that they actually read the articles, so the right measurements could be prepared, but it didn't matter what they read.

After this ‘preparation’ phase, they watched a short video (the main purpose of the experiment as far as the subjects were concerned, but it was in fact just a filler task), and then they answered questions on the kind of political news they would like to read.
The results of the experiment, as well as the stories that were read most, were somewhat depressing. Participants often chose stories with a negative tone – corruption, set-backs, hypocrisy and so on – rather than neutral or positive stories. People who were more interested in current affairs and politics were particularly likely to choose the bad news.

And yet when asked, these people said they preferred good news. On average, they said that the media was too focussed on negative stories.
 
sptrawler said:
And yet when asked, these people said they preferred good news. On average, they said that the media was too focussed on negative stories.
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I would prefer to hear the truth, good or bad, preferably backed by evidence.

(Must watch A Few Good Men Again).
 
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