Therefore I've decided to sketch out for you in broad (and in some bits not so broad)strokes what I was planning on doing and you can tell me if you want it or not. BUT - don't bitch and whine if you haven't got a carefully constructed framework to lead you to the same conclusions that I drew.
Okay guys and girls help me out here.
What would you do?
1 Keep it to yourself until you can buy a small country.
2 Set up a company, hire the talent I don't have, ( coz I will need a computer genius to transform it into an easily understood visually orientated system) and then spend the rest of my days finding ways to apply it and sell it to the world.
3 write a book or course and charge a mint in the methodology ( but not reveal the system I built)
4 something else?
Cheers
Sir O
Okay guys and girls help me out here.
What would you do?
1 Keep it to yourself until you can buy a small country.
2 Set up a company, hire the talent I don't have, ( coz I will need a computer genius to transform it into an easily understood visually orientated system) and then spend the rest of my days finding ways to apply it and sell it to the world.
3 write a book or course and charge a mint in the methodology ( but not reveal the system I built)
4 something else?
Cheers
Sir O
And finally the impact of climate change on the physical conditions of our world (unless recognised and addressed immediately) seem certain to send us back to pre-civilization conditions.
(To deny the last 2 points you have to take the view that the vast majority of the science community is incompetent and/or corrupt. I feel that the accusation of incompetence and corruption is a more accurate reflection of the investment and business community as we see it today)
Anyway that's my 2 cents worth in this discussion.
http://www.tnellen.com/alt/chaos.html
Wayne I don't accept your criticism of my introduction of CC effects as one factor to be considered when dealing with the real world and the share market which should reflect that.
O, what %annual return have you made trading this way? Can you show us an equity curve? Can you show us broker statements, even for a short period?
If I really had a system that could make massive returns consistently, I'd train family members how to use it, so that if I died they could use it. Then I'd work towards buying that small country. I'd also invest heavily in protecting the system from others who would want to steal it. After a while I'd set up a charity and get people to trade it for me. As much as I'd like to get in on something that worked really well, I wouldn't be sharing it with me!!
Money making machines are possible (though rare) - HFT proved that. Best of luck O!
The control model has returned 34.78% the chaos model returned 49.34% over the same trades, over 13 months of live trade duration. (net of commission) On average there is about 8 trades a week (I have to search for them manually I cannot scan for them). In nine months of back testing I tested a sample set of ~1750 trades which gave me a greater expectancy (+48% over my control model) beyond this, I won't be sharing.... If I showed you actual transactions (and I do appreciate why you want to see them) you might figure out some of the guidelines I use.
Great thanks. I have a few more questions:
-Can we see the equity curve or see the trade stats (without individual trade details)?
-What instruments are traded with these systems?
-Is it up and down-scalable?
-Can it be leveraged safely for greater returns? (bit hard to buy a small country on 40%pa return, as good as it is!)
Hire the talent you don't have to develop this computationally and then keep it for yourself.1 Keep it to yourself until you can buy a small country.
2 Set up a company, hire the talent I don't have, ( coz I will need a computer genius to transform it into an easily understood visually orientated system) and then spend the rest of my days finding ways to apply it and sell it to the world.
1 I'll think about it
2 some instruments are better than others. I know that isn't what you were looking for but I am not sure how much I should share on the forum.
3 in terms of the funds required to run the system it needs the same sort of funds to achieve consistency as any other trading system. I don't use more than 2% of account at risk.
4 I would imagine it would depend on the nature of the leveraging instrument. I haven't wanted to use leverage during the testing phase.
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Michael Burry always saw the world differently—due, he believed, to the childhood loss of one eye. So when the 32-year-old investor spotted the huge bubble in the subprime-mortgage bond market, in 2004, then created a way to bet against it, he wasn’t surprised that no one understood what he was doing. In an excerpt from his new book, The Big Short, the author charts Burry’s oddball maneuvers, his almost comical dealings with Goldman Sachs and other banks as the market collapsed, and the true reason for his visionary obsession.
Re: scalability, obviously if it trades Australian equities outside the top 20, there will be limits as to how much money I can throw at each trade without affecting the SP. The other thing about scalability is it will affect how many people you can share this with. If you have 100 subscribers all buying and selling the same stocks at once, suddenly the system's performance deteriorates. If on the other hand it's a forex system, scalability is so much better because of the sheer amount of money flowing around. You can trade very large sums and feel confident you're not pushing the price around. That's why I ask about what instruments you use, and scalability. Someone with $10 mill to trade would pay a huge sum for a system that will return 40% at the end of that year on that $10 million. If it's not a very scalable system, then 40% pa. isn't really all that impressive (I don't mean that rudely).
Financial data and fractals have always gone hand in hand - one of the first data sets that Mandelbrot had applied his theories to was that of fluctuating cotton prices over several centuries. "Forget about chaos," Dacorogna tells me. "We have never found any chaos in our data. There is no simple formula that generates such behaviour as is found in the foreign exchange markets. A fractal is a more general thing. A fractal produces a measure." The measure Dacorogna, Olsen, Müller and the rest of the team were really interested in was that which would measure time.
One of the reasons that physicists like Müller and Dacorogna were willing to pitch in with Olsen was that he had some very interesting ideas about time. Hitherto, economists had always thought of time as outside of the system, a straightforward linear measure that all other changes could be related to.
But the idea which fired up the Olsen team (as only physicists can be fired up) was that time was instrinsic to the system - that it was somehow dynamic and that a measure of time was needed which could stretch and contract as the system changed. I asked Dacorogna what this meant. "Time eats things," is what he said. "We define time dynamically." Perhaps it's difficult to explain the massive impact of this statement to someone without a background in science or philosophy.
depends what it is .. There are no real secrets just things that can not be explained.1 Keep it to yourself until you can buy a small country.
Theres another angle to this and it relates to Gringotts last point on scaleability.
Back in 2004 another trader recognized that the American housing market was hopelessly mis priced. Looking at the evidence he was certain there would be a housing collapse and that if he wanted to make a fortune he should be betting against the companies holding housing securities as collateral. At this stage there seems to be similarities with Sir Osis belief that he has identified a similar situation.
The trick, as Dr Michael Burry found, was to create a deep enough and solid enough betting market to ensure that you could collect against the losing side. Perhaps worth checking out his story.
Re: scalability, obviously if it trades Australian equities outside the top 20, there will be limits as to how much money I can throw at each trade without affecting the SP. The other thing about scalability is it will affect how many people you can share this with. If you have 100 subscribers all buying and selling the same stocks at once, suddenly the system's performance deteriorates. If on the other hand it's a forex system, scalability is so much better because of the sheer amount of money flowing around. You can trade very large sums and feel confident you're not pushing the price around. That's why I ask about what instruments you use, and scalability. Someone with $10 mill to trade would pay a huge sum for a system that will return 40% at the end of that year on that $10 million. If it's not a very scalable system, then 40% pa. isn't really all that impressive (I don't mean that rudely).
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