Around the barbie at the son's recent 50th, power usage came up in the conversation.The debate is at least starting to take on a technical flavour, rather than BBQ chat and ideology banter, hopefully it brings all parties together to get down to the nitty gritty.
The whole debate has to move past the you said, I said tit for tat and get down to sensible technical dialogue rather than tribal politics, with a view to how their polling is going.
The energy outcome deserves better than that, Australia deserves better than that IMO.
Finally, reality bites the faux economics of Australia’s energy debate
The Coalition’s nuclear costing report’s theme is that all technologies should be on the table and subjected to analysis that reflects the real world.www.afr.com
It all comes down to who we want to believe.The debate is at least starting to take on a technical flavour, rather than BBQ chat and ideology banter, hopefully it brings all parties together to get down to the nitty gritty.
The whole debate has to move past the you said, I said tit for tat and get down to sensible technical dialogue rather than tribal politics, with a view to how their polling is going.
The energy outcome deserves better than that, Australia deserves better than that IMO.
Finally, reality bites the faux economics of Australia’s energy debate
The Coalition’s nuclear costing report’s theme is that all technologies should be on the table and subjected to analysis that reflects the real world.www.afr.com
If the technical expert is a believer of the CO2 causing CC religion, it will affect his proposed solution differently from a pure science and tech impartial expert.It all comes down to who we want to believe.
A firm of economists or a team of scientists ?
The intriguing part is that the diverse views are so far apart.
If there really was a best technical and economic solution, then why are these "teams of experts" not in agreement?
Because both of them are guided by ideology and the wishes of their report's commissioners.
The real question is, where can we find a genuinely independent umpire who doesn't have a finger in the pie?
It really shouldn't come down to what we believe, I have worked in this field my whole life, as I think @Smurf1976 has.It all comes down to who we want to believe.
A firm of economists or a team of scientists ?
The intriguing part is that the diverse views are so far apart.
If there really was a best technical and economic solution, then why are these "teams of experts" not in agreement?
Because both of them are guided by ideology.
The real question is, where can we find a genuinely independent umpire who doesn't have a finger in the pie?
If this is just so critical, lets fxxking build a big coal plant in the Qld Bowen basin and we can provide base load for the whole of the east coast/SA/Victoria easily and gor thf next 100y, plenty if vial and water, plenty of know howIt really shouldn't come down to what we believe, I have worked in this field my whole life, as I think @Smurf1976 has, but I can't make a call on which is the way to go, it is a hugely complex issue on a technical, environmental, social and financial basis, for any individual to make a call on this is pure BS in my opinion, yet the outcome will reverberate for a lkng time whichever way it goes.
Tgat's why I get a bit touchy when some profess to know the answer from what is in the media, they don't.
This will be a huge call, either way.
It makes the NBN brain fart look like ash tray money and it will have far greater ramifications than the NBN.
IMO this really is the biggest call in our lifetime, because it has to work, that is the issue not what it costs, it just has to work.
Failure isn't an option.
That's the same as a left wing loonie saying just put a battery and a solar panel on every roof and all is good, it doesn't address the problem we have at the moment.If this is just so critical, lets fxxking build a big coal plant in the Qld Bowen basin and we can provide base load for the whole of the east coast/SA/Victoria easily and gor thf next 100y, plenty if vial and water, plenty of know how
Lets the greenies play with solar and wind on a competitive level: and we will have power and cheap..
It would..and it does not take 10y to build a coal power plant.but we want to create our own handicap and then be surprised we can not succeed.That's the same as a left wing loonie saying just put a battery and a solar panel on every roof and all is good, it doesn't address the problem we have at the moment.
Both ideas aren't going to float, as you know.
Your causing a lot of drift and loss of focus.It would..and it does not take 10y to build a coal power plant.but we want to create our own handicap and then be surprised we can not succeed.
Yes indeed, focusing back on creating power, with proven existing technologies, working 24/7 and with resources we actually got plenty of for the coming hundred years..but it is too easyYour causing a lot of drift and loss of focus.
Yes but that isn't on offer, so we can talk endlessly about it, to no avail ?Yes indeed, focusing back on creating power, with proven existing technologies, working 24/7 and with resources we actually got plenty of for the coming hundred years..but it is too easy
Because common sense will have to come back, real options put back on the table or we will face ruin.Yes but that isn't on offer, so we can talk endlessly about it, to no avail ?
Rather than debate what is on offer.
A bit like saying covid wad crap, it didn't change tge process, so why argue about what isn't on the table?
Ok, so let's get back on track, the renewable and gas option, or the renewable and nuclear option?Because common sense will have to come back, real options put back on the table or we will face ruin.
Not an understatement.
Energy is the economy
Remember a few years ago, the only options acceptable were solar PV, wind and lithium batteries , even hydro was too naughty..and some even still push that.
Let's have a few blackouts and quickly.
Is gas quicker to build?Ok, so let's get back on track, the renewable and gas option, or the renewable and nuclear option?
The other problem for you frog, is the fact you rant on about how we need to burn coal and renewables are $hit and you live off grid on solar and batteries and I may be wrong, but didn't you mention you were thinking of buying an MG EV?
It doesn't resonate well. Lol lol lol
Ok, so let's get back on track, the renewable and gas option, or the renewable and nuclear option?
Scratch that it's obviously cheaper.Is gas quicker to build?
Is gas quicker to build?
Is patching all these renewables together going to cause issues?I'll answer as SP has NFI
Gas steam turbine or just gas turbine or maybe a cogen gas turbine capturing the heat for steam, maybe throw some diesel instead or a touch of hydrogen.
Answer yes depending size or output.
Will the cost of all these transmission lines and maintaining them be significant?
Given we get bushfire where half the country is on fire will that affect lines and energy security?
These offshore windmill cables now seem to be at risk of submarine attack.
I'm just not convinced it's reliable or secure. At home solar and battery yes.
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