Bas ? I'm onboard with your effort here....No. Absolutely not Sir Rumpole.
That may have been the case 30-40 years ago. In 2024 a huge overriding factor in concerns about energy provision is the impact of CO2 emissions on global heating. There has also been a far larger concern about the other pollutants that come from coal fired power stations. Particulates, SO2 and so on.
In that context clean renewable energy generation is a top priority. At least it is for people who accept the need to reduce GG emissions as well as other pollutants that come with coal, oil and gas based energy supplies.
Absolutely, thankfully a renewable energy target was set and an $8,000 per house solar subsidy was introduced, where would we be if that hadn't been done.Bas ? I'm onboard with your effort here....
The raw stats as things stand ...
If over 30% of owner occupied homes now have solar ... Let alone what's atop factories, Churchs and business's, then what percentage of the population does that cover?
If every Australian household was able to benifit from solar ? (Now there's a policy just going begging in this cost of living crisis) ...then what percentage households would that cover?
pretty safe odds it would be above 10%.
That someone is of the belief that 90% don't give a 'rat's'? .... just be thankful they think they have the wherewithal to invest ( a'Bakers Doz) because their money will be avaliable.
but you'd be someone with an understanding math.
Home batteries ? I perhaps a more cost effective way would be having many large community batteries that take surplus power from local houses which can then tap back into the battery back as required.Another idea being floated.
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Depends on who you are describing as 'we' ?Absolutely, thankfully a renewable energy target was set and an $8,000 per house solar subsidy was introduced, where would we be if that hadn't been done.
+100% and we are still doing it.Depends on who you are describing as 'we' ?
And there has been a broard siute of subsidies over the last 25+ years for roof top solar; That in total would be a fraction of subsidies given to fossil fuel industries over that period.
One years worth of any reasonable PRRT would be worth what to Australian Government revenue today??
Qatar government collects how much from it's gas exports???
Well it's a little more nuanced. The Qatar State owned Gas company had a 'profit' of $42 billion in 2023 and this from selling less gas than Australia.
feeling a little ripped off? I'll speak for a few when I say I think WE are .
I think home batteries will be much easier to integrate, compared to EV's.Home batteries ? I perhaps a more cost effective way would be having many large community batteries that take surplus power from local houses which can then tap back into the battery back as required.
Be interesting to see how the technical issues could be addressed.
From a storage and supply perspective almost any EV would have a battery bank that would be 3-5 times bigger than the 12-15 kwh packs from current suppliers. Encouraging people to buy an EV by offering incentives and capacity to hook it up to the electricity network as a buffer would make great sense.
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It would be interesting to know what sort of take up they get for this.From a storage and supply perspective almost any EV would have a battery bank that would be 3-5 times bigger than the 12-15 kwh packs from current suppliers. Encouraging people to buy an EV by offering incentives and capacity to hook it up to the electricity network as a buffer would make great sense.
On the phone, so appologies for short response and they are only my thoughts.Home batteries ? I perhaps a more cost effective way would be having many large community batteries that take surplus power from local houses which can then tap back into the battery back as required.
Be interesting to see how the technical issues could be addressed.
From a storage and supply perspective almost any EV would have a battery bank that would be 3-5 times bigger than the 12-15 kwh packs from current suppliers. Encouraging people to buy an EV by offering incentives and capacity to hook it up to the electricity network as a buffer would make great sense.
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Getting to root causes, the real underlying one is that the whole thing has been captured by people way out of their depth.Thank you Smurf. Absolutely nailed the issues
As far as I can see you recognise that the failure will come from reliance on the current competitive market structure. I remind myself about how the SEC when it was run to serve Victoria had a very strong engineering basis that did ensure , as far possible, there was a flexibility of supplies that could keep the lights on. (I do remember however on very cold winter mornings the warnings we were given) .
That is terrifying. From an industry POV they should definitely be pointing this out.My personal view is a crisis is now inevitable. Excluding those already at an advanced stage, what company is going to spend money on a new renewables, storage or transmission proposal now whilst being fully aware that the federal opposition wants to stop it being built and replace it with a government-owned nuclear plant? To do so would be gambling shareholders' funds on the outcome of the next election and most won't be keen on doing that. So we'll see a drying up of the pipeline of projects, probably some loss of people from the industry too, meanwhile the clock's firmly ticking on the existing generation fleet.
Yes and no, you are doing exactly what the politicians are doing, cherry picking points that suit your preferences based on emotion.That is terrifying. From an industry POV they should definitely be pointing this out.
xxxxing criminal.
You really think so ?The great thing about the announcement IMO, it will accelerate the installation of renewable projects, because at the moment all the privates are sitting on their hands picking and choosing their projects but nothing is moving quickly enough.
Lets watch, it will be interesting, ATM nothing is on the horizon other than more subsidies to keep the coal generators going.You really think so ?
In my view it will stall them as renewables investors will be hanging off until at least the next election to see if the public have appetite for nuclear.
If the Coalition get in, as @Smurf1976 pointed out, no-one will want to invest in renewables because they know they won't be supported by the Coalition.
However if Labor get back, the renewable industry will be restarted and in 10 years nuclear may not be necessary anyway, in which case it would be silly to go with it.
also the Government has to come up with a plan for long duration storage other than Snowy2.0, ATM all they are doing is kicking the can down the road and paying the coal generators to keep going.
So Labor has to come up with a viable long duration storage plan, so that the privates have something to feed their renewables into, to stop them being curtailed and get some return on investment.
That's the crux of the matter, you can't keep putting in more renewables, if you have nothing to soak it up and to put long duration storage in costs heaps, takes time and will pi$$ off the Greens.Totally agree with that.
The Qld government is making noises about pumped hydro, but if Chris Bowen mentions it the look on his face says he doesn't want to rattle the cages of the Greenies ( or be reminded how much Snowy 2.0 is costing), but he knows it has to part of the mix.
This is the real problem, the media within a day can find a million reasons and examples of why nuclear would cost a fortune and take a long time to build.Totally agree with that.
The Qld government is making noises about pumped hydro, but if Chris Bowen mentions it the look on his face says he doesn't want to rattle the cages of the Greenies ( or be reminded how much Snowy 2.0 is costing), but he knows it has to part of the mix.
If so then I win a bet.In the news tonight that a shortfall in east coast gas is expected by September.
Hi smurf in the scheme of things is this a short term issue or a long term one, I am just wondering if this gas shortage is an issue regarding GT's that will be required for firming? Or is there plans afoot to circumvent the supply issue.If so then I win a bet.
It would be in everyone's best interests, except mine, if I didn't win however.
Here's the actual notice:
My view - what happens next depends on the weather to some extent but this does have a very real risk of escalating badly.
Locations affected, in practice = whole of Australia except WA, NT, Qld although that said, some specific users in Qld and NT, whilst not themselves facing a shortage, do in practice divert gas away from the south-eastern states (ie NSW, ACT, Vic, SA, Tas) and that being so could be under pressure to cut consumption as a workaround.
If we are still exporting most of the stuff, then export restrictions would seem to be in order to conserve local supply.Hi smurf in the scheme of things is this a short term issue or a long term one, I am just wondering if this gas shortage is an issue regarding GT's that will be required for firming? Or is there plans afoot to circumvent the supply issue.
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