What is?Incorrect yet again,
Much less than Europe, but the fact we have put in a lot of renewables is not the point, is it.I have a belief that Australia has put in considerable renewable generation already, with minimal Government intervention and taxpayers money.
How so?That is about to change, so be it.
What's the aspersion I am making?But if you are going to make an aspersion, at least be accurate, that should be a another light bulb moment for you.
There is no such problem. Stop making up nonsense.As for comparing Europe to Australia, well that just highlights your lack of understanding, of the underlying problems associated with HV transmission grids.
Industry players in Australia put to government what was necessary for an orderly transition of our energy generation capacity, and Finkel clearly outlined it in his Blueprint.
That is why the last Govt committed to building Kurri Kurri and Snowy 2.0, which you say isn't required, it will be dispatchable supply, make up your mind, it is either required or not required, I wish you would keep your story straight.What is?
Renewables not backed up with dispatchable supply is the problem.
It certainly is and the Finkel report you quoted was 5 years ago, so we are still at the beginning and punching well above our weight.How so?
This is a transition 25 years in the making and counting....
That I have irrational beliefs, all my beliefs are rational, just because you can't understand something that isn't explained to your satisfaction doesn't make it irrational. Maybe your personality traits limit the way information can be processed, who knows?What's the aspersion I am making?
Comparing our grid which is one of the Worlds longest interconnected power systems, with a compact highly integrated and heavily loaded mature grid like Europe is just ridiculous.There is no such problem. Stop making up nonsense.
Either that or explain yourself.
I never said it was never required, so read my earlier comments.That is why the last Govt committed to building Kurri Kurri and Snowy 2.0, which you say isn't required, it will be dispatchable supply, make up your mind, it is either required or not required, I wish you would keep your story straight.
We are behind.It certainly is and the Finkel report you quoted was 5 years ago, so we are still at the beginning and punching well above our weight.
If your car breaks down and you leave it, will it fix itself?That I have irrational beliefs, all my beliefs are rational, just because you can't understand something that isn't explained to your satisfaction doesn't make it irrational. Maybe your personality traits limit the way information can be processed, who knows?
Completely missing the point again.Comparing our grid which is one of the Worlds longest interconnected power systems, with a compact highly integrated and heavily loaded mature grid like Europe is just ridiculous.
I keep linking to sources that explain my points, and you shoot blanks.But as always that doesn't come into the equation, when your running with your spin.
I think calling it a 'white elephant' would qualify.I never said it was never required, so read my earlier comments.
As happens with projects, you know supply issues, reconfiguring HV transmission lines, installing new transmission lines, pandemics etc. It isn't as easy as putting in pink batts you know and even that can give problems.We are behind.
That's the problem!
I made an off the cuff remark to Rumpy that there is no need to worry, the issues regarding available power will be resolved, as they can't be left unresolved, therefore I said it will be self resolving.If your car breaks down and you leave it, will it fix itself?
If the NEM breaks down, will it fix itself?
Self resolving means nothing else is needed. What you mean is that intervention is necessary.
I have made that point to you many times and you keep failing to grasp the logic.
As I said comparing Europe to Australia is ridiculous, the fact that Europe has a higher percentage of renewables than us makes sense, they emit a lot more greenhouse gas than us, so one would hope they are mitigating it at a faster rate than us.Completely missing the point again.
Europe has had to achieve inter-national cooperation to transfer its renewable energy across the continent. It has done this with 50% greater renewable penetration than we have in Australia, and it has lesser natural energy resources apart from water.
Your point about Europe being a mature grid is not accurate in respect of the distribution structure it needs for renewables. It's in a massive transitory phase and the embargo on Russian oil will accelerate their plans:
"As it stands, most EU countries are struggling to keep up the pace of necessary grid build-out for achieving Europe’s decarbonisation targets."
I keep linking to sources that explain my points, and you shoot blanks.
This all gets down to something much deeper.Finkel as a scientist and engineer was uniquely qualified to say what was needed, but then the politicians and vested interests decided that they knew better.
We may have put in a lot of rooftop solar, but the grid has not been upgraded to deal with its intermittency as sufficient storage has not been installed as it should have been had we listened to Finkel.
Not exactly what you claimed I said, and vey different to lot's of smaller pumped hydro that could now be operational with a mindset focussed on urgency rather than grandiosity.I think calling it a 'white elephant' would qualify.
I know what you keep saying, but it's illogical. A decision maker steps in and "solves" the problem. This time it was AEMO, and on top of them are the ESB advising the next decision maker, which is the new federal government. Three different entities are needed to drive this long term fix and apply it to the NEM (aka "self" in your colloquial sense)I made an off the cuff remark to Rumpy that there is no need to worry, the issues regarding available power will be resolved, as they can't be left unresolved, therefore I said it will be self resolving.
FYI, self solving has always been a medical term, and if you try to use it in a colloquial sense it still has to have the same sense. That is, the entity heals itself or, at least, nobody else is involved or gets involved. It's antithesis is "physician, heal thyself".See that is another colloquialism, that is based on an inaccuracy.
Go back and read my question of you and your response about HVDC.As I said comparing Europe to Australia is ridiculous, the fact that Europe has a higher percentage of renewables than us makes sense, they emit a lot more greenhouse gas than us, so one would hope they are mitigating it at a faster rate than us.
Wasting energy is pretty abhorrent.Go back and read my question of you and your response about HVDC.
The issue of our NEM being large and complex is different to Europe being small but significantly more complex.
In both cases we are talking about grids stressing over incorporating renewables. China is having the same problems, and curtailment issues there are not going away:
China’s Renewable Energy Fleet Is Growing Too Fast for Its Grid
That was the point I made, so maybe you should read what I write.China’s Renewable Energy Fleet Is Growing Too Fast for Its Grid
Just in case you hadn't noticed so is ours.
I'm past that, you have sucked all the enjoyment out of the thread.That was the point I made, so maybe you should read what I write.
Same goes for climate change
How silly. You saying I'm in an ivory tower must mean that you have an inferiority complex.If there is one thing I can take credit for, is to drag you down from your ivory tower.?
Like I said, it is great to see you posting in this thread, I've never noticed you post in this thread before.How silly. You saying I'm in an ivory tower must mean that you have an inferiority complex.
It sounds as though some home truths are starting to come out. At least everyone will end up on the same page. The article puts things in perspective and does kind of repeat what smurf and I have been saying for quite some time.
Coal, gas to smooth transition to clean power: Top energy officials
Australia’s switch to zero emissions needs a market reform that pays coal, gas and renewables to power the electricity grid, the Energy Security Board says.www.smh.com.au
There isn't really any other options IMO, if you want to remove coal in a timely manner, to use renewables will be time consuming as issues will crop up that they haven't even dreamt of and will need resolving.
Gas is a direct substitute, that suits working with renewables much better and the installation time isn't overly long.
My guess, would be high efficiency open cycle gas turbines, these days there isn't a huge difference in the efficiency, not like 30 years ago where open cycle were in the low 20% efficiency. Combines cycle has the problem of requiring operators and to get the steam set on presents the same issues that are plaguing the coal generators, cycling.Not being technical, I'll let others more qualified argue about the technicalities, but are we talking about gas peaking plants which are very expensive to run but can be started or stopped quickly or combined cycle plants which are cheaper to run but are generally run for longer periods ?
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