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I never confused anything, but thanks for the explanations.You are confusing energy and power.
Back to Snowy 2.0
Building a 2000 MW power station most certainly does add generating capacity so long as it works and the storage isn't empty. It doesn't add energy*, it's a net consumer of that, but that's not a problem assuming more wind and solar will be built + there's at least some periods when thermal plant operates below capacity. It adds generating capacity, lack of which is the immediate problem.
*In a strict physics sense a coal or gas power station also adds no energy, it simply turns 20 - 55% of the energy in fuel into electricity and the rest into heat, but that's being a bit pedantic. For simplicity I'll take it that it adds electrical enery to the system since it does.
Do you know how to construct an argument?I think what you are explaining smurf, is what some people don't seem to grasp, in their debated position.
You cannot generate electricity from Snowy 2.0 unless you keep using electricity from the grid to replenish Tantangara dam.
Surely the dam could be filled by rainfall ? That's then free energy isn't it ?
I don't believe so. I would guess it doesn't have a catchment area actually feeding it. It is more of a storage dam.
If anything evaporation would diminish it's capacities.
Actually smurf you should think about lecturing, you have a great manner, some have the knowledge others have the manner you IMO have both.I think what you are explaining smurf, is what some people don't seem to grasp, in their debated position.
Pretty poor design if that's the case.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of natural inflow ?
What has become obvious is ,you have a great understanding of the politics of the grid and very little knowledge of mechanics and dynamics of it.Do you know how to construct an argument?
If you did, and given your experience in the electricity market, it should have been dead easy to show that your referenced remarks from Finkel stood up.
You offer nothing to debate, so you have wasted a lot of effort on nothing particularly important.What has become obvious is ,you have a great understanding of the politics of the grid and very little knowledge of mechanics and dynamics of it.
IMO ,it is a waste my time, debating it with you any further.
That would have a lot to do with it I think bas, the higher the head of water, the smaller the size of the turbine for a given output. Smurf will be able to explain it, he has had a lot to do with hydro.I suspect the placement of this dam would be somewhere far uphill of a current dam. It would necessarily be downstream of good river catchment.
I think...
I've wasted very little effort, I'm time poor, so i look at the forum when I have a bit of spare time. I answer what I think i can with my current knowledge and belief's and ask questions, get opinions just a general chat.You offer nothing to debate, so you have wasted a lot of effort on nothing particularly important.
And I do not go on pretending that a net loss of electricity can somehow add to the grid.
There's lots of very relevant stuff that you could link to or work off. For example, this explains AGL's rationale for Liddell's closure. It includes a number of themes I have covered and tends to dispel the notional importance of baseload to a generator.
Here's another option. In a fashion it's a small scale variant of Snowy 2.0 but, I suspect, far more efficient in that spinning power is not wasted. Instead, it has borrowed from Hornsdale's Tesla battery approach.
But the elephant in the room is a price on carbon.
Not many posting here want to see it.
First, I have never seen anywhere that renewables need to rate at twice the capacity of fossil fuels in the energy mix. Do you have a reference?
As I see it, you can only arrive at that number if you dodgy the maths.
Wind and solar plus storage potentially allow a lesser total capacity than the former fossil fuel equivalents. The simple reason is that excessive storage capacity could be available to smooth the peaks. Storage capacity is not yet cost effective, but the cost curve is continually reducing so it may well be a viable option in the next decade.
An argument here is not a "fight".You asked a few posts back, can't I construct an argument, I don't want an argument. I just want to have a chat share a few opinions.
Take today, I'm in sunny Mandurah, holiday weekend with my lovely wife, the youngest daughter brought down the grandkids, life's great.
Why would I be sitting on the computer constructing an argument, about the Eastern States Power Grid, firstly I'm in W.A. secondly I really don't give a $hit, thirdly I retired a few years ago at 55 and really am over arguing.
If someone wants to discuss it, fine i will respond, if someone is looking for an argument, I really can't be bothered.
I am not on Facebook, never will be.An argument here is not a "fight".
And it's not an "opinion".
It's about how what you say is reasonable.
You can go an facebook and talk about the weather or your family to people who value knowing about that.
I prefer to keep a thread on topic.
Thank you for the linked article - again it covers a lot of what we are discussing. Here's its major caveat:
We exclude batteries. Batteries located in homes and electric cars may contribute very substantially to future energy storage, either directly through bi-directional energy flow or indirectly through control of the timing of battery charging.It further notes:
If the future fleet of cars is of a similar size but entirely electric, with an average of 50 kWh of useable storage per car, then the usable storage is 900 GWh. This is twice the storage envisaged in our modelling.Finally, it notes:
Our cost estimates do not include a carbon price or subsidies. PV and wind costs are very likely to continue to fall.
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